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Posted on 06/15/2002 1:12:25 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper

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To: Enlightiator
Try reading #27
41 posted on 06/15/2002 3:32:23 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
Thank you for the ping.I'm thinking about forwarding it to Hugh Hewitt!
42 posted on 06/15/2002 3:42:21 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Enlightiator
Typical paranoia. You think I am the author? If you go to this thread by Senator Pardek (who states 1. I'm not Catholic. 2. I'm not Protestant. 3. I did not write this article. ) and then click on the link for his source you will find this website listed.

Clergy Sexual Misconduct: Just a Catholic Problem?

43 posted on 06/15/2002 3:42:45 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: Enlightiator
Here's another link you can attribute to me:

Sex Abuse by Clerics—a Crisis of Many Faiths

44 posted on 06/15/2002 3:52:41 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
can anyone cite in the NT where Jesus commanded salvation was contingent on building churches, and attending them? He spoke of fellowship with believers, but this means community and meetings. prayer meetings, etc. the creation of bureacracy and power seeking empires was never mentioned, and causes seekers to look externally, rather than personally and internally for the way.

all Jesus ever did against organized religion was to condemn its' hypocrisy.

and now, here we are again.
just something to think about.

45 posted on 06/15/2002 3:59:29 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Enlightiator
Just so you don't accuse me of making this up too here is the link:

With Protestants-Abuse-Glance

RICHARD N. OSTLING, AP Religion Writer

The flood of sex abuse allegations against priests this year has focused attention on the Roman Catholic Church, but Protestant denominations have also faced sex scandals involving clergy.

In fact, while data are sketchy, at least one expert believes the incidence of clergy molesting young children may be about as frequent -- or infrequent -- in Protestantism as it is in Catholicism.

Penn State historian Philip Jenkins argued in his 1996 book, "Pedophiles and Priests," that both secular and Catholic media exaggerate the extent of Catholic cases involving minors, while downplaying Protestant abuse.

For instance, the Rev. Robert Eckert of Grand Rapids, Mich., a minister in the African Methodist Episcopal Church, was sent to prison in 2000 for sexual involvement with a 15-year-old girl who worked as his baby sitter -- but the case received relatively little attention.

Jenkins, an Episcopalian, thinks a 1992 survey from the Chicago Archdiocese is more representative of the true picture in Catholicism.

Among 2,252 priests serving over four decades, 39 priests (1.7 percent) apparently abused minors. Only one abuser could be termed a pedophile under the strict, clinical definition of the word -- meaning the victim was prepubescent.

"I am prepared to be convinced the Catholics have a bigger problem" than Protestants, Jenkins said, but nobody has good data, partly because Protestant groups are too numerous. "I certainly haven't seen anything, and I'm looking hard."

Minneapolis psychologist Gary Schoener agreed.

"There are no real scientific data" on Protestants, he said. Since 1974, his Walk-In Counseling Center has been consulted on more than 2,000 cases of clergy sexual misconduct of all types, two-thirds of them with Protestants.

He finds that sex with adult women or teen-age girls is the most frequent Protestant problem.

In a typical Protestant case, a jury awarded $10 million in February to relatives of the late Deborah Yardley of Columbus, Ohio.

The suit charged that the Rev. Steven Colliflower, a United Methodist, had an affair with Yardley when she sought his help with alcohol and emotional problems. He left the ministry shortly after she made the allegation. She later died of liver disease.

The conservative World magazine says Protestantism faces a "severe problem" of clergy involvement with people the ministers are counseling, calling this "an egregious abuse of power."

Schoener said that clergy having sex with prepubescent victims is "very rare" in all denominations.

A study of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), covering eight states over six years, found 17 cases filed against clergy with 31 victims, all female, with one case involving a minor.

There are also differences between Catholicism and the many Protestant faiths in the way sex abuse allegations are investigated.

The U.S. Catholic bishops adopted a set of principles in 1992 calling for rapid response to allegations, openness with parishioners, care for victims and compliance with secular laws on reporting criminal conduct. But some Catholic bishops have admitted they didn't always follow those guidelines.

The Catholic principles also say a priest should be "promptly" suspended and referred for medical evaluation upon "sufficient evidence" of misconduct. The matter of reassignment is left open for a decision later.

In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, at least, events occur more rapidly.

Bishop Donald McCoid of Pittsburgh, chair of the Conference of Bishops for the 5.1-million-member denomination, said when colleagues receive allegations against clergy "anything else on our agenda is dropped." If a pastor admits the charge, he said, the bishop defrocks him within a day and refers charges involving minors to civil authorities.

Another difference: Protestant lay officers -- most of them mothers and fathers -- exercise pivotal powers in supervising clergy. Catholic power is held almost completely by ordained bishops or religious superiors.

Lutheran -- as well as Methodist or Presbyterian clergy who claim innocence -- are put on leave but can defend themselves through church trials and appeals.

During debates over homosexual behavior, those three denominations have defined clergy standards that limit sexual conduct to heterosexual marriage and require chastity for singles.

It's difficult to assess the response to abuse accusations in Baptist and other denominations, where each local congregation handles cases.

The most important example is the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant group in the United States with 101,000 clergy, double the total of U.S. Catholic priests and brothers. In the past decade, its press service reported two charges of molesting minors, against a youth worker and a martial arts teacher.

But Dee Ann Miller of Council Bluffs, Iowa, says misconduct is more widespread.

Since writing a 1993 book about her own abuse by a missionary in Africa, she has been told of allegations against 22 Southern Baptist clergy involved with minors, including six who molested prepubescent children.

Miller charges that the denomination has ignored the problem. Sounding just like a Catholic activist, she said abuse will "only stop when laity get upset enough to hold their leaders responsible for incompetency."

46 posted on 06/15/2002 4:04:58 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
Here's another link you can attribute to me:

A red herring, I never attributed the links you posted to you, I just asked if you were the author of the website. And I pass on your latest link, which is from the same biased website with an agenda as in your original post. You know, the website you claimed was "protestant" run, lol.

I am still waiting on your "evidence" for this BS claim you made in the thread:

An average of 70 complaints of sexual abuse are leveled against Protestant churches EVERY WEEK. You tell me where the bigger problem is.

Nonsense. I suggest you find a link to another dubious and deceiptful website to "substantiate" your silly claim.

47 posted on 06/15/2002 4:14:45 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: big'ol_freeper
Not surprising...the whole culture is steeped in sex, from children's TV to internet spam. Protestant pastors have openly spoken of the problem, including retreats, additional counseling, etc. Most Protestants are on the side of the Catholic church in this new all-out cultural/media attack...considering the attacks as part of a larger spiritual war. We are not on oppositie sides, here.

What's missing in the media hype?

1)The truth about the homosexual lobby- and accountability for their words/deeds, and the truth about their lifestyle choice...

2)The media's accountability...for the saturation of sex in their business-

3)The press's lack of understanding re. Christianity and the nature of good and evil...

4)False memory syndrome - lost adults seeking someone to blame with the help of psychs. and social workers seeking a worldly solution to a spiritual problem. REAL victims of sexual abuse are the minority. Most "recovered" memories are created memories....victim being preferrable to loser.

48 posted on 06/15/2002 4:15:30 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Enlightiator
Admition of the problem is the fist step to recovery. Don't be an Ostrich. Repeat after me..."all religious denominations have a problem with sexual abuse not just the papists".
49 posted on 06/15/2002 4:22:23 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
Raw numbers like this are absolutely worthless. Also, the source is dubious.

Intelligent contributions to understand the problem of sexual abuse of children by clergy demands accuracy and context. With that information added, comparisons with other groups become useful.

These basic questions need answers to make such numbers valid and useful.

1. What is the source of the data? What is its reliability?

2. What is the instance of sexual abuse of minors? Over what time frame?

3. What are the total universes of people in each category? I.e., how many ministers, priests, etc., in each subgroup?

Only with this information in hand do the final, useful data emerge: How do the various groups compare to each other in instances of abuse per 1,000 members per year? Other, non-religious groups should be included to put this information in context in society: What are the rates per 1,000 among public school teachers? Private school teachers? Boy scout leaders? Social workers? Other groups where adults are in positions of trust with children? Homosexuals? Parents in general? Adults in general?

My educated guess from reading reports of arrests and convictions is the common-sense conclusion that the highest rate of abuse will be among the group which most tolerates (or even promotes) alternative lifestyles, including homosexuality -- that would be public school teachers. At the bottom of the list should be the group with the least tolerance of homosexuality -- that would be the Boy Scouts.

It would take some hard-slogging work by a handful of reporters to get the answers to these questions, but a major newspaper like the New York Times could easily assign a small group of reporters to get and state these answers. But the Times would never do that, because the results would undercut four of its editorial positions: opposition to the Boy Scouts, opposition to the Catholic Church, support for homosexuals generally, and support for the "teechurs" unions generally.

But there ought to be ONE major news organization, Fox perhaps, or the Wall Street Journal, that would assign the reporters for a couple weeks to get these basic facts, and stick the results in the eye of the "liberal" majority in the lamestream media.

Congressman Billybob

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50 posted on 06/15/2002 4:43:07 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
I can buy that.
51 posted on 06/15/2002 4:45:08 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
You post another amazing article, from the same biased website that compiles bogus numbers??? Hmmm, ok, I read it anyway ;) One "amazing" point made in the article by the AP writer who is this one:

Jenkins, an Episcopalian, thinks a 1992 survey from the Chicago Archdiocese is more representative of the true picture in Catholicism. Among 2,252 priests serving over four decades, 39 priests (1.7 percent) apparently abused minors.

My God, the number of priests in the Boston diocese/area alone who are accused of sexual abuse exceeds those figures! Compare the AP article "figures" you posted with these:

U.S. Bishops Bar Abusive Priests
...The swift change in church policy comes after months of unrelenting scandal in which at least 250 priests have resigned or been suspended because of misconduct claims. Victim after victim has come forward with tortured stories of abuse at the hands of priests, and accusations that church leaders merely shuffled molesters between parishes.

52 posted on 06/15/2002 4:46:57 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Enlightiator
Uh...again...read what it said...it was a survey of the CHICAGO Archdiocese. While you continue to focus on the Catholic Church you are ignoring the larger problem. Repeat after me....no never mind, you are too close-minded or bigoted to actually face the fact that the Catholic Church is no better or worse than any other church when it comes to incidences of sexual abuse.
53 posted on 06/15/2002 4:55:02 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: Enlightiator
"250 priests have resigned or been suspended because of misconduct claims"

Yup...cases covering 30 years. The number of non-Catholic clergy over that same period is exponential to the Catholic number.

54 posted on 06/15/2002 4:57:53 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
You are right, the survey was by the Chicago diocese, I stand corrected. As far as your conclusion, however, I take a strong exception:

the Catholic Church is no better or worse than any other church when it comes to incidences of sexual abuse

That kind of "belief" is exactly what would spell the demise of the Catholic Church, since it doesn't take action to eliminate the homosexual component that has moved into the Catholic Church, nor does it account for the huge numbers of priests in the Boston diocese who have been dismissed due to sexual abuse. On the surface of reports over the years, I don't know how you can make the claim that the "Catholic Church is no better or worse." The problem IS that the CC doesn't allow men who are married to be priests, and a high number of men claiming to be "celibate" are homosexuals masquerading as priests. Until your Church realizes that, the stories will continue to come out...

55 posted on 06/15/2002 5:05:45 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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To: Enlightiator
Since the Protestant churches with married clergy have the same problem your "allow married priests" argument to solve the problem makes no sense. While we are making wild statements..Maybe we should castrate all clergy of all denominations...
56 posted on 06/15/2002 5:10:59 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
The protestant churches have their problems, including sexual abuse, but from most reports the problems are nowhere near the scale and depth of the Catholic Church with its high rate sexual abuse of teen and adolescent boys. The common denominator here is homosexual priests - and thats why the church should allow married heterosexual men to serve as priests.

Since you like articles, heres one you should read. My own opinion is that all cases of sexual abuse are under-reported, within and outside the churches. The abuse within the Catholic Church however is far higher than other denominations, and this is essentially stated in this article that totally refutes your "no better or worse" claim:

------ Boston Globe / Spotlight / Abuse in the Catholic Church

The Boston Globe | Abuse in the Catholic Church

THIS STORY HAS BEEN FORMATTED FOR EASY PRINTING


All faiths question handling of abuse

Debate over celibacy as factor is rancorous

By Michael Paulson, Globe Staff, 3/13/2002

The scourge of clergy sexual abuse has afflicted virtually every religious denomination: In recent years rabbis, ministers, and gurus have all been charged with molesting children.

Hare Krishna temples are filing for bankruptcy because of the anticipated cost of settling abuse litigation, and the Jehovah's Witnesses are facing a first round of lawsuits.

But the Catholic Church has been hit with many more allegations of clergy sexual abuse than any other faith or denomination.

''There are absolutely no Protestant equivalents,'' said Anson D. Shupe, a professor of sociology at Indiana University-Purdue University in Fort Wayne who researches clergy misconduct. ''If I could find some spectacular cases, that would help my career, but I can't. You don't have rapacious serial predators, and the Protestant establishment doesn't tolerate it the way the Catholic establishment has.''

Shupe's view is widely, but not universally, held among scholars of clergy sexual abuse. And the statistics seem clear: The Archdiocese of Boston says at least 80 priests have been accused of child sexual abuse over the last 50 years, and scholars say as many as 2,000 priests have been accused nationwide.

By contrast, Protestant and non-Christian denominations have had so few reported cases that their leaders can generally count them on one hand. A 1999 study of clergy misconduct, in which academics with the Hartford Institute for Religion Research spoke with 76 ministers who had, over the last 40 years, served 532 different congregations in 14 different denominations, turned up no instances of sexual abuse of children in the Protestant congregations studied.

There are no comprehensive quantitative studies of clergy sexual abuse, according to David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire and a member of Cardinal Bernard F. Law's committee on sexual abuse. Finkelhor says there is no rigorous research comparing clergy abuse rates by denomination, nor are there reliable statistics analyzing whether clergy are more likely to abuse children than teachers, scouting leaders, ice cream truck drivers, or any other group with easy access to children.

The Catholic Church itself has not undertaken any study of the prevalence of child sexual abuse among clergy, and Cardinal Bernard F. Law said earlier this year that he does not know whether priests are more likely to abuse children than others.

''The Catholic hierarchy has stonewalled any attempts to do any kind of study on this issue, and they've had offers to do it,'' said Rev. Thomas P. Doyle, a Catholic Air Force chaplain, who, as a canon lawyer working at the Vatican Embassy in Washington in 1985, wrote a report on the problem of clergy sexual abuse that he says was ignored by the bishops.

But one researcher, sociologist Philip Jenkins of Pennsylvania State University, argues that the Catholic Church is being unfairly tarred as a result of ''religious bigotry.''

''My research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination - or indeed, than nonclergy,'' Jenkins wrote in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. ''However determined news media may be to see this affair as a crisis of celibacy, the charge is just unsupported.''

But, as diocese after diocese around the United States acknowledges that it has employed multiple priests accused of molesting children over the last several decades - the contrast with other denominations seems to be growing.

The United Church of Christ, which is the largest Protestant denomination in Massachusetts, has had three clergy accused of sexual abuse of children over the last 50 years in Massachusetts, according to Rev. Nancy S. Taylor, president of the denomination's state conference.

The Episcopal Diocese of Massachusetts, another large denomination, has also had only three cases in memory, according to spokesman Ken Arnold. Two of the accused priests were jailed, Arnold said, and one was defrocked.

The Boston-based Unitarian Universalist Association has had just one minister accused of child sexual abuse over the last 50 years in Massachusetts, and he too was defrocked by the denomination and eventually convicted, according to John Hurley, the denomination's spokesman.

And the Rev. Rebecca Bourret, associate to the bishop of the New England Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, said she can think of no local cases of clergy sexual abuse of a child.

The American Baptist Churches of Massachusetts has also had just one case, and that minister was also sent to prison, according to executive minister Rev. Linda C. Spoolstra.

''Child abuse among clergy has not been a major issue for us,'' Spoolstra said. ''We have been much more concerned about sexual abuse of clergy with adults because there have been more violations of ethical behavior in this area.''

And the Greek Orthodox Diocese of Boston has had just one recent known case of child sexual abuse, according to Metropolitan Methodios, the presiding hierarch. In that case, a third-generation Vermont priest, the Rev. Emmanuel Koveos, was convicted of fondling a 12-year-old girl; in 1999, Methodios prevailed upon the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople to expel Koveos from the priesthood.

''We tend to deal with it directly, and not scandalize it,'' Methodios said. ''We feel that a priest has to be suspended, whether he is guilty or not, until a full investigation takes place, and if there is anything to the allegations, he is dismissed and defrocked.''

Researchers are unclear on the reasons behind the numbers of abuse cases among priests.

Many church critics immediately seize upon the most obvious difference between Catholic priests and other clergy: Priests are supposed to be celibate. Critics argue that the requirement for celibacy draws sexual deviants into the priesthood, and leaves priests no acceptable alternatives for their sexual desires.

But Finkelhor, the University of New Hampshire expert, says researchers would have to consider several other possible explanations.

For example, he says, it is possible that income or education are factors. He theorizes that socially disadvantaged children might feel less empowered to challenge abusers and less confident that any complaints will be heard by the church or police.

Another possible explanation, Finkelhor said, is that priests are more able to abuse children because of the extraordinary amount of authority and reverence they enjoy within the Catholic Church. Protestant and Jewish clergy are generally less powerful within their congregations, and can often be fired by laypeople.

Priests also may have more access to children, and to places in which to abuse them, than other clergy, Finkehor said. Many priests live in rectories, which directly adjoin churches, and they sometimes have more involvement with children than other clergy. Most Protestant denominations, for example, do not have child altar servers.

Of course, the non-Catholic denominations are all smaller than the Catholic Church, and none has been exposed to the same extraordinary level of scrutiny, which might reveal some previously unknown cases.

And non-Catholic denominations have their own problems.

Many struggle with clergy who get sexually involved with adult congregants, which in some cases is legally permissible but is considered to be a moral taboo. In one case, a Cherry Hill, N.J., rabbi is now awaiting retrial on charges that in 1994 he hired killers to bludgeon his wife to death so he could continue having an affair with a radio talk show host.

Sexual relationships with adults are an issue for Catholic clergy too. Despite their vow of celibacy, some Catholic priests have sexual relationships with adult men or women, according to researchers.

Many denominations also struggle with financial wrongdoing, a problem that is particularly acute among Protestant clergy, according to Shupe, the Indiana sociologist.

The only non-Catholic denomination that has been plagued with allegations of widespread child sexual abuse is the Hare Krishna movement, a small Hindu-like sect. Scores of people have alleged that they were sexually abused as children at Hare Krishna boarding schools in the 1970s and 1980s.

But the Hare Krishnas have been far more open than the Catholic Church in responding to the crisis, which has forced a number of Hare Krishna temples into bankruptcy. The Hindu sect published a detailed expose of its own wrongdoing, written by a Middlebury College sociologist, in its official journal in 1998; a year earlier it had set up a child protection office to investigate and report to authorities instances of child abuse.

Another denomination that experienced an instance of clergy sexual abuse in 2000, but then took steps toward openness, is Orthodox Judaism. The Orthodox Union, which represents Orthodox rabbis, acted against Rabbi Baruch Lanner only after a newspaper, Jewish Week, reported that Lanner, a top official in Orthodoxy's youth movement, had been accused of harassing and molesting scores of youth group teenagers over three decades.

But the revelation about Lanner led not only to the rabbi's indictment, but also to the resignation of his supervisor, the executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, and then the Orthodox Union appointed a commission to investigate. That group found that leaders of the Orthodox Union ''made profound errors of judgment in their handling of Lanner throughout his career.''

In the wake of the scandal that is roiling the Catholic Church, some faith groups are hurriedly reassessing their own policies and procedures. The Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, for example, is writing a new sexual abuse policy. In Massachusetts, the United Church of Christ and the Episcopal Church have sent warnings to clergy, reminding them that they are expected to report any allegations of sexual abuse to the state - even though it's not required by law.

''We are working hard to raise the consciousness of all our people that this is critically important to our life together as a Conference of Churches,'' said Taylor, the UCC conference minister.

Michael Paulson can be reached at mpaulson@globe.com.

This story ran on page A1 of the Boston Globe on 3/13/2002.
© Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.


For complete coverage of the priest abuse scandal, go to http://www.boston.com/globe/abuse

57 posted on 06/15/2002 5:20:35 PM PDT by Enlightiator
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There are more incidents then the article details since there was no mention of two well-known Episcopalian ministers in my community that were involved in a homosexual scandal.

The church had a pristine community image with fine schools, buildings, sport fields, and service. So even I ,who was not a member of the church, was stunned when the scandal was revealed in the press. What it must have done to the congregation, I can only imagine.

58 posted on 06/15/2002 5:23:41 PM PDT by catonsville
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To: Enlightiator
''My research of cases over the past 20 years indicates no evidence whatever that Catholic or other celibate clergy are any more likely to be involved in misconduct or abuse than clergy of any other denomination - or indeed, than nonclergy,''

Per your own source.

59 posted on 06/15/2002 5:23:48 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: big'ol_freeper
NO. The problem is HOMOSEXUALS in the Church. PERIOD.
60 posted on 06/15/2002 5:24:30 PM PDT by montag813
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