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Liberty Is Overrated--Safety Should Be Our First Concern*
Ever Vigilant ^ | 06-19-2002 | Lee R. Shelton IV

Posted on 06/19/2002 11:33:59 AM PDT by sheltonmac

Those worrying about the erosion of liberty in this time of crisis often quote Benjamin Franklin, who said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today. We are at war and should be expected to sacrifice some liberty for safety.

According to a national poll taken recently by the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, seven out of 10 Americans said that they would give up at least some of their civil liberties to improve security. That shouldn't be at all surprising considering the magnitude of the terrorist threat to our nation as well as the rest of the free world.

The same poll showed that about 90 percent of Americans favor having more police assigned to patrol public areas. 70 percent believe that there should be a law requiring adults to carry a national ID card with their photograph and Social Security number, and roughly half support the idea of random police searches in public places.

It is clear that most of America is behind the president in his effort to eradicate terrorism. The few individuals who are not seem to be those who are clinging too tightly to their precious Constitution. They refuse to give up even the smallest right, when doing so might mean the difference between victory and defeat.

These people, whether they realize it or not, are the terrorists' strongest allies in this war. Any attempt to detract from the plans of our president and his administration is tantamount to treason. If they can't learn the concept of "go along to get along," they need to be silenced. This war needs to be won-no matter what the cost.

When terrorists attacked our shores on Sept. 11, the fear-mongers immediately launched into their tirades against U.S. foreign policy, particularly our support for Israel. They talked about how the actions of our "empire" fueled the hatred of Islamic fundamentalists and how we should adopt a more isolationist position on global matters. All this, of course, is nonsense.

While the United States may have been able to avoid foreign entanglements at one time, we must realize that this is the 21st Century. This is not the world our forefathers knew. The Constitution may have been good enough for a fledgling nation 200 years ago, but we must evolve beyond such a narrow worldview if we hope to remain a global superpower.

Ronald Reagan once called us to be a "city on a hill," a place upon which all eyes of the world would be cast. If we allow a dusty old document like the Constitution to prevent us from doing what is necessary, we shall lose the respect of those who look to our nation as an example of greatness. No, we must maintain our lofty position in the world, and if that means behaving like an empire, so be it. The only alternative would be to succumb to terrorism, and that cannot be an option.

We need to be more positive. We need to be more supportive of our government, especially now. The president should not be criticized for doing his duty as Commander in Chief. Yet, through it all, there are those who not only see the glass of liberty as half-empty, they see it as the wrong beverage. This unpatriotic attitude was evident when President Bush signed the Patriot Act into law.

I feel I should point out that when President Bush signed the Patriot Act, he was doing what nearly half of all registered voters who actually bothered to vote elected him to do-lead. The people of this nation wanted a leader with an iron resolve and this president has shown that he is the man for the job. Rather than get behind the spirit of the Patriot Act, some disgruntled people would rather focus on the ambiguous aspects of the legislation and live in fear of the worst-case scenario.

As the poll above shows, this administration is merely doing the will of the people. Doing anything else would not bode well for the GOP this November. It would also hurt the president's chances of getting re-elected in 2004, and ensuring his re-election is absolutely vital to winning this war on terror. No other politician has shown such dedication and strength of character. Honestly, I shudder to imagine where this country would be without President Bush at the helm.

To those who insist on holding firm to the Constitution and making the government's job harder than it has to be, let me remind you that WE ARE AT WAR. Get behind the president and show your support. All of your worries are unfounded. If history is any indication, every civil liberty you give up now will be promptly restored once this war is over. That's a promise.

Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?


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To: Jefferson Adams
AAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

You forgot your cup, didn't you?

101 posted on 06/19/2002 1:31:56 PM PDT by Dementon
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To: Dementon
CUP???

Jeez! You must think those terrorists are going to play dirty. But steel-toed boots would be prudent. Many here feel that prudence is next to Republicanism as a virtue.

102 posted on 06/19/2002 1:32:59 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: sheltonmac
The problem with this advice is that it is well over two centuries old, and no one back then could have imagined the dangers we face today.

A re-tread of the gun-grabbers mantra.

103 posted on 06/19/2002 1:33:16 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: Jefferson Adams
Wow, you pay OVER half of all you earn to the United States?
I thought you paid $11.36 last year? LOL

I have friends who earned millions last year that didn't pay anything near that rate.

You must be a real billionair.

Hey everybody, Jefferson Adams = Bill Gates? LOL
104 posted on 06/19/2002 1:33:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: headsonpikes
Jeez! You must think those terrorists are going to play dirty.

I wouldn't put them above the occasional dirty trick...

105 posted on 06/19/2002 1:34:40 PM PDT by Dementon
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To: A CA Guy
I have friends who earned millions last year that didn't pay anything near that rate.

I’ll bet you’re one of those dopes who think that corporations actually pay the “corporate taxes” instead of the consumers.

The government eats up over half of your salary, whether you’re smart enough to realize it or not.

106 posted on 06/19/2002 1:37:21 PM PDT by dead
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To: A CA Guy
I have friends who earned millions last year that didn't pay anything near that rate.

Only a dolt would assume the only taxes are the ones you file every April 15.

107 posted on 06/19/2002 1:39:32 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Cacique
You really think the Jews and others went willingly and not at the threat of a gun?
Was what happened in Germany NOT unlike a civil war where one part of Germany prevailed until they had their butts kicked in?
Wasn't the Jews and others treated like prisoners?

You can't relate America with that senario no matter how you twist things in your posts.
108 posted on 06/19/2002 1:42:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: NittanyLion
The only dolt would be the one paying over 50% in taxes.
109 posted on 06/19/2002 1:46:03 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Wasn't the Jews and others treated like prisoners?
You can't relate America with that senario no matter how you twist things in your posts.

Sixty years ago, you could have your property taken away and be hauled off to prison in America because of your race.

Eighty years ago, you could be strung from a tree in America without a trial.

A hundred and forty years ago, humans could be bought and sold like cattle in America.

Have you ever even opened a history book?

110 posted on 06/19/2002 1:47:20 PM PDT by dead
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To: A CA Guy
The only dolt would be the one paying over 50% in taxes.

How much do you think we pay? Allow me to name a few:

Social Security: 13%
PA Sales Tax: 6%
State Income Tax: 4%
Local tax: 1%
Fed'l tax: 25%

That's 49%, not counting hidden taxes. Case closed.

111 posted on 06/19/2002 1:49:05 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: A CA Guy; dead
I rest my case, RE: port #67
112 posted on 06/19/2002 1:50:42 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: sheltonmac
Well son, you did it again. You are now officially up there with Rush and his "revealing absurdity with absurdity." You would think some of these FR "thinkers" would know you by now.

LOL, this one was great. And you even warned them!! What a hoot!! Keep up the great work. At least some of them are beginning to think now.

113 posted on 06/19/2002 1:50:45 PM PDT by sola gracia
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To: A CA Guy; dead
and post #98
114 posted on 06/19/2002 1:52:28 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Cacique
It's sad to see. Maybe it's lack of oxygen or some other sort of medical condition.
115 posted on 06/19/2002 1:53:03 PM PDT by dead
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To: dead
First it is a riot that a person who calls themselves dead calls anyone else stupid.

Most corporations don't end up paying much tax. Especially if it is the corporation of a self-employed person because they would then pay a double tax if they don't disperse a salary and have expenses against income.

Most use a corporation to limit liability from stupid lawsuits against their accumulated personal assets.
116 posted on 06/19/2002 1:54:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: sheltonmac
Mr. Shelton is definitely full of used food...I think I'll stick with the more established Mr. Franklin...
117 posted on 06/19/2002 1:55:24 PM PDT by mhking
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To: sheltonmac
This article is an affront to freedom. It is pornographic.

The dangers faced 200 years ago were far greater than they are today simply because the technology available and public knowledge of technology was not what it is now. People frequently died from bloodletting, for goodness sakes !
The quality of food and medicines 200 years ago was not nearly as safe as it is today. Preserving food was not done by means of refrigeration, almost all foods were packed in salt or immersed in salt-brine.

There were no telephones, no police, no semi-auto firearms and knowledge of explosives was not common knowledge 200 years ago.
Roving bands of thugs, murderers and rapists ruled the land. Almost the entire population lived on farms 200 years ago.

Western Civilization finds itself in a struggle for survival against moslems and islam who want to take us BACK to the SEVENTH CENTURY. Their stated goal is world domination. They have told us clearly that their plans for us are islamic sharia law and a system of rulers under the seventh century caliph system. islam and moslems have clearly told us there can and will be no comprimise whatsoever.

This is about our survival.

By turning America into a police state or by trading liberty for perceived safety, is not only capitulation with these cultist thugs, it is in fact, defeat.

The concept of trading liberty for safety is a LEFTIST concept with the goal to ENSLAVE free men.

When Saudis have been deported from Ameirca, only then will we begin to become serious. Not a single Saudi has been deported from America since 9/11. Free men and women are being pressured into giving up their freedom to appease the barbaric demands of Saudi Arabians and their islamist friends in Washington.

To that demand I say, COME AND TAKE IT !
118 posted on 06/19/2002 1:57:51 PM PDT by pyx
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To: A CA Guy
First it is a riot that a person who calls themselves dead calls anyone else stupid.

I could say the same about somebody who identifies themselves as a California resident, but that's besides the point.

Most corporations don't end up paying much tax.

So much gibberish.

Corporations don’t pay ANY taxes. They merely collect taxes for the government from the people who purchase their goods or services.

In other words, YOU pay corporate taxes.

119 posted on 06/19/2002 1:58:50 PM PDT by dead
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To: Taxman
"If you did not intentionally leave it out, why did you not copy the most important part of Mr. Shelton's essay?

You have either intentionally or unintentionally upset a number of people on this forum, myself included."

As the author, it was my intention to upset a few people in this forum. I could have posted the disclaimer but chose not to because I thought it would be interesting to see how many people would: 1) actually bother to check the source of the essay, 2) become outraged and voice their support for the Constitution, and 3) see the similarity between the arguments used in the essay and those seen frequently right here on Free Republic. Too many "conservatives" have used the very arguments put forth in the essay to justify more government encroachment on our liberties. On one hand, it is satire, but on the other hand, some of the arguments are all too real. Whenever someone says that we should not criticize the president's actions, what they are saying is, "Liberty is overrated—safety should be our first concern." I, for one, do not subscribe to that viewpoint.

120 posted on 06/19/2002 1:59:31 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: NittanyLion
Just proves that YOU pay for what you DON’T know. The only case you rest on is the need for a better education of how to legally avoid paying that much tax.

I honestly suggest you get to a good tax lawyer for some over-due advise.
Being you must be in the big time, I am sure you can unlock the home-vault and buy some desperately needed advice on your finances.

Knowledge is power.
121 posted on 06/19/2002 2:04:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Just proves that YOU pay for what you DON’T know. The only case you rest on is the need for a better education of how to legally avoid paying that much tax.

I suggest you post how to avoid paying sales tax and Social Security taxes here. I'm sure it'll make a fortune for you. Dolt.

122 posted on 06/19/2002 2:06:08 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: sheltonmac
Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?   *NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author.

--Lee R. Shelton IV

Did you leave this important ending off on purpose?

123 posted on 06/19/2002 2:07:25 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: A CA Guy
Knowledge is power.

Judging from your posts, that California power crisis is much worse than I thought.

124 posted on 06/19/2002 2:08:31 PM PDT by dead
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To: sheltonmac
*NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author.--Lee R. Shelton IV"

Thanks for jerking us around. I know I was amused. < /sarcasm>
125 posted on 06/19/2002 2:08:53 PM PDT by pyx
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To: dead
Your comments are foolish to me as shown in the cute one about anyone in California must be stupid for living there. You must be VERY YOUNG.

Corporations are just tools for the people who run it. They are not there to pay taxes if run properly.
126 posted on 06/19/2002 2:11:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: sheltonmac
*NOTE: This is a satirical piece designed to expose the twisted logic of the "win at all costs" crowd, and the views expressed herein should not be confused with the actual beliefs of the author.

D'oh!

127 posted on 06/19/2002 2:11:37 PM PDT by mhking
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To: sheltonmac
Liberty is overrated. Safety is what counts during times of crisis. After all, how can liberty be enjoyed if one cannot feel safe?

The author is a coward and a traitor.

---max

128 posted on 06/19/2002 2:15:41 PM PDT by max61
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To: pyx
"I know I was amused."

Lots of us were!

I still am, for that matter.

Tee-hee!!
129 posted on 06/19/2002 2:17:37 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: dead
California has a lot of people on the take (money from welfare or a job related to the state).
We get Democrats in control here because they all give away the state treasury.
It is getting to be a national problem.

Davis is an empty suit. We are looking forward to his being run out of office.
Even with that you have a Democrat state run system here.

Any state with big cities and high populations suffer the same problem with Democrat controlled state governments.
High populations in cities all seem to have their hands out as a habit.
130 posted on 06/19/2002 2:17:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
You must be VERY YOUNG.

Thanks, but I’m older than I look.

I try to eat right and exercise.

Plus goofing on morons like yourself reminds me of high school and keeps me young at heart.

Thanks again.

131 posted on 06/19/2002 2:17:52 PM PDT by dead
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To: pyx
I think you felt jerked around because you, too, have seen many posters here on FR use those very arguments. There is nothing in this essay that hasn't been previously uttered by post-9/11 "conservatives."
132 posted on 06/19/2002 2:23:06 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: Temple Owl
"Did you leave this important ending off on purpose?"

Yup. See post #120.

133 posted on 06/19/2002 2:24:28 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: NittanyLion
To start with, self-employed people or people who employ are able to reduce what qualifies as income if they use the law correctly.
Someone who is only an employee has less protection. Though even an employee can go start a business on the side and start reducing his earned income against the costs of starting and running the side business.
It would NOT require a corporation at all, but you would be getting well informed about keeping good records and a scheduel C.

"Directly" calling me names (dolt) though, I would suggest you cease since in the last half hour alone you have broken the rules twice here regarding personal attacks and could be getting yourself banned.
An accidental mistake only happens once.

You can get the point across or not agree without being nasty.
134 posted on 06/19/2002 2:28:35 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: dead
Stop the personal attacks, you are going to get yourself banned.
We can disagree, but no sense in getting yourself banned over you losing control for a moment.
Turn it down in that area a bit for your own benefit.
135 posted on 06/19/2002 2:36:23 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
With all due respect, bite me.

On this thread alone, you asked one guy if his mother tried to gas him as a lad.
You called another a “dolt”
And you called me “VERY YOUNG,” complete with all caps, and that hurt my widdle feelings.
On other threads, I’ve seen you accuse people of being drug dealers and liars without a shred of evidence.
I believe you were even the guy who suggested that one guy was pimping his mom and his sister.

Spare me your hypocritical lectures, jerky.

And go ahead and “report me for abuse” you little narc. It’s soooo your style.

136 posted on 06/19/2002 2:47:06 PM PDT by dead
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To: sheltonmac
"According to a national poll taken recently by the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, seven out of 10 Americans said that they would give up at least some of their civil liberties to improve security.

That just proves my suspicion that 7 out of 10 Americans are fools.

137 posted on 06/19/2002 2:58:15 PM PDT by sandmanbr
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To: sheltonmac
Not a bad ironic essey
138 posted on 06/19/2002 3:17:06 PM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: sheltonmac
Lee,

That is one fine and well crafted essay. In these days, satire is almost impossible, because reality is just too weird.

Wonderful work.

Don

139 posted on 06/19/2002 3:34:54 PM PDT by don-o
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To: Sir Gawain
It was kinda vague in spots. Needed more overt satire.

I disagree.

I think the tone was just right. As I said in a previous post, satire is almost impossible in this weird and media saturated world.

The writer tuned his instument right on pitch for my ear.

140 posted on 06/19/2002 3:43:38 PM PDT by don-o
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To: A CA Guy
I have friends who earned millions last year that didn't pay anything near that rate.

You and your rich friends don't know much about all the hidden and duplicated taxes in everything you buy, do you? Ah well - ignorance is bliss, especially when you have millions...

141 posted on 06/19/2002 3:44:11 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: A CA Guy
The only dolt would be the one paying over 50% in taxes.

SSSSHHHHHH - go back to sleep.

142 posted on 06/19/2002 3:45:09 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: sheltonmac
re: post #120 - well done :)
143 posted on 06/19/2002 3:47:26 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: headsonpikes
Lots of us were!

I still am, for that matter.

Yeah, it cracked me up too, in a kinda sad sorta way as I watched the Let's Rollers agree with it and defend it.

Sigh...

144 posted on 06/19/2002 3:49:59 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: sheltonmac
Dang! How in the world could I have forgotten that crucial little bit of information? You have to admit that it made for a more interesting thread, no?

Well, I got it from the get go. The clue was there. But you are correct. It is very interesting, if discouraging.

Discouraging because people tend to knee jerk rather than to absorb and reflect. That may be a characteristic of the cyber world; especially those who have not had much conventional education or read books.

145 posted on 06/19/2002 3:50:23 PM PDT by don-o
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To: sheltonmac
There is nothing in this essay that hasn't been previously uttered by post-9/11 "conservatives."

That's the sad part.

146 posted on 06/19/2002 3:50:57 PM PDT by Jefferson Adams
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To: sheltonmac
Too many "conservatives" have used the very arguments put forth in the essay to justify more government encroachment on our liberties.

YES!!!!

RINO is a familiar acronym around here.

Is there a doubt that the CINO is a greater threat?

147 posted on 06/19/2002 3:55:47 PM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o
"...read books."

You must be a reactionary; citizens only need to know how to shout slogans.

Reading leads to critical thinking and who needs all that negativity?
148 posted on 06/19/2002 4:01:37 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: sheltonmac
Ha! I know what you're doing, Lee. My uncle used to always joke that to keep flies out of your kitchen, put a bucket of $#!+ in the living room. ahaha
149 posted on 06/19/2002 4:01:44 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: A CA Guy
You sound like one of those goobers who thinks his yearly refund from the IRS is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
150 posted on 06/19/2002 4:06:37 PM PDT by Twodees
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