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Bojinka The Dog That Didn't Bark
Debate USA.com ^ | June 18, 2002 | Jim Rarey

Posted on 06/20/2002 12:46:08 PM PDT by exodus

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To: bloggerjohn
To: exodus
I still think a lot of this can be traced back to the too-cosy relationship between our rotten State Department and the Saudis..." "...it's just been standard practice to avoid offending rotten Saudi princes. That means calling off the FBI and CIA whenever they get to close to Saudis, since the State Department is their boss in matters of foreign affairs. It's a simple economic motive since oil does run our entire economy..."

Since most of the hijackers and most of the money came from Saudi Arabia, it's no surprise that orders to avoid them would totally cripple any investigation or followup. That's why the FBI's top anti-terror man, who actually knew what was going on, quit in protest, only to die in the WTC - very conveniently.

# 36 by bloggerjohn

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True.
Our government, and the European governments, have been kissing up to the Saudi tribe since World War 2. We don't even need their oil. That's just an excuse to expand our control to every corner of the world.

41 posted on 06/20/2002 2:48:48 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
Thanks for the reply- my PC locked & I forgot to cross-link it-now done!
42 posted on 06/20/2002 2:51:55 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: exodus
Yousef was also charged as the mastermind of the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and was later tried and convicted of that terrorist strike in which four others were already serving life sentences.

I recall thinking at the time that purposely, there was very sparse media coverage. Primarily trial results. Compare to OJ. Add major media to the list of those who let us down.

43 posted on 06/20/2002 3:31:49 PM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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bump
44 posted on 06/20/2002 3:32:33 PM PDT by madfly
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To: dead
To: exodus
In one post, you’re arguing that it was (governmental) incompetence,
in another you’re arguing that it was knowing and calculated complicity.
It can’t be both.
# 37 by dead

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Of course it can be both ways, dead.

Only the leaders need to be guilty of a knowing and calculated complicity.
Incompetent underlings don't need to see the whole picture.

45 posted on 06/20/2002 3:37:03 PM PDT by exodus
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To: Ingtar
To: exodus
Reading that book now, "Debt of Honor."
Copyright 1994
# 39 by Ingtar

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Jack Ryan is one of the best heros ever.

46 posted on 06/20/2002 3:38:37 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
Actually, I seem to recall a very good economic analysis which points out the entire Star Wars saga is a portrayal of a battle between free market capitalism (Jedi) as opposed to the govt-corporate oligarchy (Sith) that is now evolving - the ideas behind Star Wars aren't shallow at all and surprisingly conservative. Slips my mind where I read it, though. I'll get back when I remember.
# 40 by bloggerjohn

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Exactly, bloggerjohn.

Everybody loves the Jedi Knights. The Jedi represent everything we hold dear, such as the rights of the individual, protecting a free society, defending the innocent, fighting corruption, and even letting people who don't agree with us follow their own course, without interference from us.

The Empire, and the Dark Lords of the Sith, represent power-hungry, corrupt government.

I can see Episode 10, set in our times.
Libertarians will play the part of Jedi Knights, fighting against the evil of Darth Dubya.

47 posted on 06/20/2002 3:52:25 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
Okay, it's not entirely on topic, but I did promise that free market economist who has written on star wars. It's Ludvig von Mises (well, an article on his site anyway)

The basic thesis is that the Jedi are protecting a free market democracy from a government-corporate oligarchy (which we seem to be becoming) and Star Wars is an allegory on current economic policy.

There is more than one article but here is one:

http://www.mises.org/fullartic le.asp?record=277&month=11

I noticed in The Clone Wars that the allegory will be continued. Annakin Skywalker, near the end of the movie, says he wants the Power to keep bad things from happening to anyone. Where have we heard that before? Government will protect us totally if only we give them all the power. Right now they will protect us from terrorists if we only give up things like state's rights, habeus corpus, peaceful assembly and protest, and so forth.
49 posted on 06/20/2002 9:00:07 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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However, I blame Clinton, Bush, the FBI and the CIA for allowing the plot to succeed. It was their responsibility, they had plenty of warning, and they didn't do their sworn duty.

Do you realize the amount of information those agencies have to sift through, and how much of it is spurious? The noise level is so high, they cannot possibly predict everything that is going to happen. Shit happens. The alternative is a society in which there is no such thing as freedom and in which every move you make and every word you speak or write is recorded and archived.

Criminals can be stopped, if you have good policemen.

So policemen are supposed to stop crimes before they occur? How can they do that? The way they do in the new Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report?"

50 posted on 06/20/2002 9:14:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: exodus; dead
After 9-11, the Patriot Act passed without a murmur.

Yet it was written well in advance of 9/11 suggesting that it was "waiting in the wings" for an appropriate event. Ron Paul was one of the few who voted "no" and commented that it was not even offered to Congressman and Senators to read before being voted upon.

If that doesn't smack as something sinister and planned, nothing does.

51 posted on 06/21/2002 12:21:08 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: exodus
Here you go. sorry 1996, not 1995.
52 posted on 06/21/2002 6:50:20 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
Thanks, CJ Wolf.
53 posted on 06/21/2002 1:51:09 PM PDT by exodus
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To: nickcarraway
Clinton was president from Jan. 1993 to Jan. 2001.
54 posted on 06/25/2002 6:26:21 PM PDT by Medium Rare
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To: CJ Wolf
CNN did not mention the most important part which was the hijacking of domestic flights and crashing them into buildings. Of course the only ones that knew that at the time seem to have been the CIA, FBI, State Department and Department of Justice (which cited Project Bojinka when prosecuting the terrorists for the first part of the plot to blow up 11 planes over the Pacific Ocean simultaneously).

Who are you shilling for?

55 posted on 06/25/2002 6:34:27 PM PDT by Medium Rare
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To: dead
The theory is patently absurd

No more absurd than FDR sacrificing over 2,000 of our military at Pearl Harbor to get us into World War II.

56 posted on 06/25/2002 6:41:30 PM PDT by Medium Rare
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To: exodus
Thanks. Jim.
57 posted on 06/25/2002 6:54:46 PM PDT by Medium Rare
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To: Medium Rare
shilling for myself, thank you. How about you? Did you happen to read the CNN story in 1996 did it concern you? I saw it in other papers too around the time or did you just wake up on sept 11th and wonder how it came to be?

IMHO This crap about who knew is a sorry attempt to derail and change public opinion from focus on the attackers to the people in charge, and it comes from abroad. We have people in powerful positions that are not loyal to this country first. They put themselves above the fold and rake it in, it is doubtful that they understand the implications of their thievery and treasonist activity or that they care. While the US citizens were becoming fat and happy economically and physcally they enjoyed the watching the wonders of wild BJ Clinton. Focusing attention on his sexual disfuntion and adultary, he was waging the wanker not the dog. Wasn't his first missle shot into afghansistan considered a wag the dog exercise? Don't we all wish we supported this more and invaded and crushed this opposition at the time. Instead of tippy toeing around the embassy bombings?

Instead we took the apeasement approach and initiated the war on Serbia.

Blinded Americans had more important things to consider. Stock prices, Elian, waco, OJ, monica and the such and looking back we find the Republicans failed us then, too. Whilst attacking the right people, the tactic of going after his sexcapades should have been secondary to exposing his communist bribes, except that perhaps some Reps are guilty of that as well prevented it's fallout.

As such we got a small drip feed and constant attacks abroad and no one can say we weren't warned or that the public was not made aware. Americans died in the 1990s because of Bin Laden and his crew. The general public didn't care.

The Paki gunman in McLean was one of the first signals that terror had come to our shores. Remember that guy?

58 posted on 06/26/2002 4:07:03 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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