Posted on 06/21/2002 11:04:38 AM PDT by JMJ333
Again...I don't care what you do. I understand where you come from. You're a cynic, who sees nothing of value or a fanatic who see nothing other than themselves to be of value. Innocence allows us to see value wherever it exists. Some people aren't interested in their own reflection or reflections. The attitude is outward.
You asked me about Capitalism. I answered you. Now you ask me if I think birth-control is relative. What do you think? Do you consider that the gist of the article? What did you take from his work?
What's wrong with using birth control to avoid having children that one cannot afford?
Suppose I come to you and say "There is something very important you must know... but first, you must refrain from partaking of.... caffeine! It's very important that you give up the caffeine."
So, curious, bored, compelled, intimidated, whatever motivates you, you give up caffeine. You make that psychological investment. And then you turn to me and say "okay, what next?"
Bang. I've got you. You have suspended your own judgment and handed the decisions for your life over to me. At this point, it doesn't matter if I'm Mohammed, Christ, or Ellsworth Toohey. I'm in control of you now. You are awaiting further instructions. You are looking for step 2, and maybe it's Scientology, maybe it's Amway, maybe it's Alcoholics Anonymous, but whatever it is, you are waiting for further instructions.
You're waiting to hear what else you should give up. You're waiting to hear what's going to take its place. You're waiting to hear what your rewards will be. You're waiting to hear what the big secret is. It doesn't matter now if I'm going to demand your attention, your money, or your life. If I can keep you focused on the steps, the details, your daily struggle with those steps, your failures, your small successes... and my evaluation of them... I have you. You have handed yourself over to another.
Was Mrs Kahn an altruist? Or was pest control her hobby?
So far, no one has attempted to refute the content of the article...criticize yes...refute no. Want to try? regards.
Where did I say you couldn't have fun. Why do you guys get so rude? People had fun before birth control. There does happen to be a medical link between abortion and contraception. There is also some very devious people who push the concept. I think it is interesting to note who they are, and what their opponents have to say.
They do not say that the fashionable throng at Ascot wants thinning, or that it is desirable to decimate the people dining at the Ritz or the Savoy.
This attempt to make birth control look like something that the Evil Rich impose upon the Noble Savage is just another way to try and start a class war in best Communist fashion. Poor women are usually avid to get their hands on birth control. Get it? They WANT IT! They don't WANT to have 13 children, lose all their teeth, have a descending uterus and osteoperosis at 37. And don't tell me they should just tell their husbands "no," because in most of these macho cultures, the women have no right to do that. And you KNOW that because you and I have had this conversation before.
Didn't some Freeper here use that illustration on threads in the past ;-)
One can have sex when they're not "trying to procreate" That is distinctly different from preventing the possibility of procreation from happening. It is possible for couples to have sex and not conceive. There are couples who try to conceive and are not successful on the first try. Although they have had sex and not procreated (initially), they have not sinned either given that they didn't actively prevent conception from occurring and were open to the possibility of children.
Conception occurs with God's help. He is the Creator. The married couple cooperates with God to create a child. Each person is a gift from God. Why do you want to reject gifts from God? Do you think you know better than Him?
ALL Christian denominations, until the early 20th Century, condemned contraception. Should we ditch any other Church teachings that you personally find inconvenient?
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