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Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 18
06/23/02 | Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping - Daily News/Chat Thread - Day 18

Posted on 06/22/2002 10:17:01 PM PDT by stlnative

June 22, 2002 - Late Evening Report

MARTINSBURG, W.Va. (AP) _ A hospitalized drifter sought for questioning in the disappearance of a teenager in Utah was alert and talking with investigators Saturday.

Bret Michael Edmunds, 26, was cooperating with investigators, said FBI spokesman Kevin Eaton. Salt Lake City police sought Edmunds for questioning in connection with the disappearance of 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart from her family's home June 5.


Wanted for Questioning

Bret Michael Edmunds

  • 6"2'
  • 235 lbs.
  • 1997 green Saturn
  • Considered Dangerous

"He's talking to us. He's not telling us, 'go away, I want a lawyer,"' Eaton said.

But investigators won't say what information Edmunds is giving them. They will release information after Salt Lake City detectives have a chance to interpret Edmunds' responses.

Questioning Edmunds likely will not substantially affect the Smart case because he was only a possible witness and not a suspect, Eaton said.

"We've been hitting five to six promising areas, and we've been concentrating on a lot of important stuff" not related to Edmunds, Eaton said.

Edmunds remained in serious condition in a secure section of intensive care at City Hospital under the watch of U.S. marshals. He is being treated for a drug-related liver damage.

"He's conscious, he's coherent and he's talking," hospital spokeswoman Teresa McCabe said.

Edmunds, who appeared at the hospital Friday, began talking with a Salt Lake City police officer and FBI agent Saturday morning. Doctors monitored Edmunds' condition to ensure he was up to the questioning.

McCabe said Edmunds would stay at the hospital at least three or four days. She would not divulge details of his condition, citing confidentiality rules.

Edmunds is being held on a federal warrant charging him with fleeing to avoid prosecution for a probation violation. The charges are unrelated to the Smart case.

"He is still not a suspect at this time," Police Chief Rick Dinse said. "He's a question mark, and we want to put a period on that question mark."

Edmunds, who was living out of his Saturn sedan, had been seen in the Smart neighborhood the week the girl vanished. While Elizabeth's sister described the alleged kidnapper as a 5-foot-8 man, Edmunds stands 6-foot-2.

A Saturn found in the hospital parking lot was photographed, impounded and towed away. Police saw nothing suspicious through the windows, and are seeking a search warrant.

Also Saturday, sheriff's deputies said cadaver dogs were unable to find a scent at a subdivision near Salt Lake City. A police search was prompted after dogs owned by search volunteers apparently picked up an unusual scent.

Edmunds has been sought since last fall for outstanding warrants on charges of fraud and assault on a police officer in Utah. He had served 60 days and was put on probation in 2000 for stealing and forging checks.

When he is physically able, Edmunds will be taken to a magistrate for a hearing, the marshals service said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Utah; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: bretedmunds; elizabethsmart; kidnapping; utah; westvirginia
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To: brigette
Please re-read my comments. I mentioned three times that they were wild, unsubstatiated rumors. One of which was that Elizabeth's father STAGED a kidnapping so that he would be the recipient of domnated ransom money.

My main point through all of them is that NOBODY can yet be ruled out as a suspect. The police agree with me. If you do not, you have something else to protect.

I'm grateful you are not running the investigation. It takes a darker inventory of possibilities than you have demonstrated capacity for here.

121 posted on 06/23/2002 12:55:03 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: All
never-mind... LOL! (what I feel is not important, hopefully we will all find out what happened to her and who did it) I just hope and pray she is still alive.
122 posted on 06/23/2002 12:56:32 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
the SLC Police Chief that the first call was to 911 at 4:01am by the Smarts', then the family called relatives.

Girl was kidnapped at 1am, sister notified parents at 3am. You don't beleieve they called tom smart and the bishop before then?

123 posted on 06/23/2002 12:58:01 AM PDT by Plummz
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To: brigette
Nothing the parents or family members have done or not done makes me feel they had ANYTHING to do with it.

Your bias is showing. You can't even allow yourself to go to sleep.

124 posted on 06/23/2002 12:58:15 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Plummz
Thank you so much. Sounds like a wonderful family to me.
125 posted on 06/23/2002 1:04:58 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: All
Night all. Over and out.
126 posted on 06/23/2002 1:07:20 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
Girl was kidnapped at 1am, sister notified parents at 3am. You don't beleieve they called tom smart and the bishop before then?

If the police didn't sy it, it didn't happen

It really feels to me that they are leading the Smart's down a garden path a la Susan Smith.

127 posted on 06/23/2002 1:08:27 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: brigette
Why would the police clear up the way the call were made from the home that night? Why not say "no comment" to the media and leave it alone?

Well, like I said, it was just a hypothetical situation taken from the immediate discussion at hand; there are all sorts of other potential situations that would probably make better arguments then this nitpicking about the order of phone calls

But let's take this hypothetical a little further: Assume for a moment Elizabeth's father IS directly involved in her disappearance, and did make calls to other family members in order to have them come help launch a cover up before calling the cops. Say he made those calls on a cell phone, and then called the police from his home phone. If Mr. Smart is relatively naive about a lot of things in the world (as he does seem to be, IMHO), perhaps he doesn't think local cell phone calls can't be traced that accurately, or that local landline call records aren't kept by the phone company. So at their first interview, the father lays out the false timeline of phone calls, hoping the cops will buy it. Of course, within 24 hours the cops would have the records from both the cell phone company and the local phone company, laying out the full details of every call down to the second. The police don't tell the Smart family this, but the father, and all the rest of them, continue to maintain their version of the phone call timeline for weeks. The police now know that they're being played for fools, and that the Smarts have something to hide ... and, thus, that the Smarts are directly involved in Elizabeth's disappearance. Obviously, under such a situation, it is in the cops' best interest to continue to treat the Smarts as if they believe them 100%, so they'll have continued access and can continue slowly building evidence, holding more interviews, etc. If they just said flat out, "Hey, we know you're lying about the phone calls," then the entire family will get lawyers and clam up immediately. And the chances of ever finding Elizabeth, dead or alive, go way down.

Again, this is all just a hypothetical situation, which I have no reason to believe is actually true. I'm just trying to explain why the authorities would want to play the game, and lie to the media, in order to ensure a suspect or suspects continues to cooperate with them, or at least ensure they don't think the police suspect them. Remember, at the end of the day the ONLY thing that matters is finding Elizabeth. Not satisfying arrogant reporters, not adhering to some nonexistent oath to tell the truth to the public at all times, not even to tell the truth to the Smart family.

128 posted on 06/23/2002 1:11:23 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Partisan Hack
Yes, yes, YES! You nailed it.

Ah, I love being right. *grin*

129 posted on 06/23/2002 1:12:16 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Plummz
No... It was verified by police that the first call out of the home was to 911. They don't know the exact time of when she was taken out of the house or actually how long the child waited before waking them up. They did search the home first and with caution as they thought he might be in the house still. Then they called the police, then called Tom & the Bishop and then headed to the neighbors OR Then they called the police, went to the neighbors and then called Tom and the Bishop.

It is so hard to say how someone would react when something happens like this. But I don't see anything strange in what they did. I have thought about it and I have watched and listened and I just do not see them acting strange.
130 posted on 06/23/2002 1:15:29 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
It's not about you Brigette. I don't know you and I'm not attacking you.

It's about Elizabeth and getting her back safe and sound. Until that happens, nobody can be ruled out. I'm all for letting the accusations fly and letting the chips fall where they may. If a few relatives get soiled in the process, so be it. The life of that lovely girl is worth it!

Her life is my first motivation, not the reputation of the family.

131 posted on 06/23/2002 1:17:53 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: brigette
It was verified

Did they actually verify it, or did they just claim it? Did they provide call logs, pphone recorss, police operator affadavits, or what?

Your version of the story does not squarte with the latest Newsweek story, printed on this thread.

132 posted on 06/23/2002 1:21:26 AM PDT by Plummz
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To: brigette
What do you have to say about Timesink's comments in the post above?
133 posted on 06/23/2002 1:21:36 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: brigette
This thread, rather: http://www.freerepublic.com/fo cus/news/704312/posts#33
134 posted on 06/23/2002 1:22:45 AM PDT by Plummz
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To: brigette
When children go missing like this, for some parents it must feel like they've just disappeared from the surface of the earth.I'm sure that the police are doing all that they can to find this girl. But sometimes there is very little in the way of clues. And the waiting is excruciating.
135 posted on 06/23/2002 1:26:08 AM PDT by goody2shooz
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To: Plummz
From the Newsweek article:

There are troubling questions about how a stranger could have broken into the Smarts’ million-dollar home and known exactly which of the seven bedrooms was Elizabeth’s. The Salt Lake Tribune reported Thursday that some investigators now think the screen on the kitchen window where the kidnapper was alleged to have entered was cut from the inside, a sign that the break-in may have been staged

Keyword: Staged. Some say there is nothing that "indicates that the family is involved." I think this is SOMETHING.

136 posted on 06/23/2002 1:28:28 AM PDT by Partisan Hack
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To: Plummz
The article in Newsweek was out right before the Police said it live on TV. It was just a couple days ago when they came on TV and said they verified it by looking at records (that was all they said)... It was the Police Chief and then later a detective on another interview. The Newsweek article still says that MK received the threat directly from the Perp. I get Newsweek every week.
137 posted on 06/23/2002 1:31:54 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: BunnySlippers
Damn, then my worst fears about this case have possibly come to pass. I hope like hell I'm wrong!

If this is her, I'm going to be furious with the police who didn't open up to the public, and in fact played fast and lose with the facts.

138 posted on 06/23/2002 1:36:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Partisan Hack
It is a possibility and something I have thought about, as I watched the Susan Smith thing play out on TV... and I thought she was lying from the very start on that case. but I don't think it is the way they are playing it in this case. I think they keep saying no one has been ruled out yet, including the family to also throw of the perp that is most likely a non family member. It goes both ways... :-)
139 posted on 06/23/2002 1:40:11 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: John Jamieson
Is Francom the grandfather's name? Where can we find his obit?

I see someone has already answered on this question. I thought I would jump in here and post how I find obits. (Genealogist's here)

I ususally just use the following link and put the name I am looking for in the first window that shows up. Then you get results that will refer you to everywhere that name is found. then click on the one for obit daily times. Or you can go there directly. But, truthfully the first one works better.

Rootsweb
Interactive Search
Obit Daily Times

Results:
FRANCOM, Myron LeGrande; 81; Salt Lake City UT; Deseret News; 2002-6-1; kwday
FRANCOM, Myron LeGrande; 81; Salt Lake City UT; Salt Lake Tribune; 2002-6-1; kwday

The results show what newspapers the obits ran in and when. for current obits you can go directly to the paper. For older obits, obit daily times can refer to a volunteer that can direct you for that area or look it up in the newspaper archives on microfilm at local library. Hope this helps for future reference.
stash

140 posted on 06/23/2002 1:52:45 AM PDT by Pistacio
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