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To: an amused spectator
"Why don't you hie yourself to DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON INTRODUCTION AND TABLE OF CONTENTS and find out what a crowd of criminals your pals the Clintons were?"

Seems the folks on the left-wing boards aren't the only ones who enjoy jumping to conclusions based on things I don't say. I don't seem to recall saying anything about how I feel about Clinton's policies. I didn't say that I thought it was moral or immoral for him to engage in adultery with someone half his age. I did say that Paula Jones probably was well justified in her suit against him, and that his loss of his law license was suitable.

On what basis do you presume that the Clintons are my pals? Because I don't see how one draws a causative connection between Bill's sexual offenses and the financial offenses at Whitewater? Bill did what he did, but one really has nothing to do with the other. Neither he nor his wife have been charged in anything. And a majority of the Senate failed to agree that he'd done anything worthy of impeachment.

It seems you've made the mistake of confusing facts with feelings. The statements above are simply facts, and have no bearing on whether or not I condone anything he's done. Most Freepers have no love for Bill and Hillary Clinton. Fair enough. But instead of limiting themselves to facts I see people seize on anything, true or fancied, and try to hang it on them. It's ridiculous. There's plenty of things that he's done, and perhaps her, without making up stuff, or using misleading statements. And I categorize "The result was the Whitewater scandal, which, after six years worth of twists and turns, ended in the first impeachment of an elected president in U.S. history." as the latter.
53 posted on 06/25/2002 9:18:35 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
The ties between the sexual offenses and the Whitewater case and all of the other scandals can be summed up in one word - perjury. It is NOT all about sex, it is about blatently lying to the American people on National TV and committing perjury in a court of law time and time again. As I pointed out, Bill Clinton was fined a couple of times (Judge Susan Webber Wright formally fined Clinton over $90,000 for Contempt of Court as well as the previously mentioned fine) and lost his license as a result. He basically made a last minute plea agreement with Ray, which may not be an actual criminal conviction, but it was definitely an admission of guilt and punishment for that guilt.

There were many reasons why he was not convicted:

The FBI has destroyed evidence he had against Bill Clinton

Robert Fiske's report on Whitewater was "deep sixed" by a court The blackmail of Janet Reno

A D.C. Chief Federal Judge "fixed" cases, bypassing established rules

Smears on accusers and Clinton's sexual scorched-earth plan

Many more reasons and info on other Clinton scandals can be found at this link.

Wake up son...it is not merely about blow jobs.

57 posted on 06/26/2002 7:14:54 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: RonF
On what basis do you presume that the Clintons are my pals? Because I don't see how one draws a causative connection between Bill's sexual offenses and the financial offenses at Whitewater? Bill did what he did, but one really has nothing to do with the other.

I classify you as "a pal" of the Clintons because you are apparently one of their myriad enablers.

Since you are also apparently too lazy to do it for yourself, I'm going to give you the nutshell version:

For most of his public life, Clinton was a member of the executive branch of government. For a lazy guy like you, I'll translate: Clinton was "law enforcement".

Bill Clinton, law enforcement guy, committed a number of felonious acts during his public tenure. Since he was a law enforcement guy, and due to the nature of the Arkansas Democrat political machine, it was easy for him to avoid any legal entanglements for these felonious acts. (It wasn't so easy for his brother Roger, also famous for the quote "nose like a vacuum cleaner" - additional Clintonian felonious activity, BTW).

Once Bubba ascended to his new law enforcement throne in Washington, questions about felonious activity back home in Arkansas arose (Whitewater). Fortunately for King Bill, the Arkansas Democrat political machine was able to deal with most of the nattering questions of the Puritan, sex-obsessed prosecutor Starr and troublesome people like Judge David Hale. They did have to actually sacrifice some law enforcement people like Governor Jim Guy Tucker and Webb Hubbell.

In Washington, the Democrat media, staffed with stalwart liberal apologists like Ron Fournier of the Associated Press, did the rest. They turned the questions about Whitewater, the White House travel office, FBI agent Aldrich's book, Vince Foster's death, Webb Hubbell's corruption, the missing billing records - the "thread running through it", serial felonious activity by a career law enforcement official, now the TOP law enforcement official in the United States, into "a scandal about Clinton's private sex life". Even that was a lie, because sex in the Oval Office is by definition public sex.

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For a good part of two decades, Al Capone remained absolutely immune to prosecution for any and all of his criminal activities. In June 1930, Capone was finally indicted not on a murder charge, bootlegging or for any of his other seriously criminal undertakings but on a much lesser charge of federal income tax evasion.

Thus one of the most notorious criminals of the 20th century was imprisoned for tax evasion. All of the resources of the American police, FBI and other federal authorities failed to collect any evidence to prove that Al Capone was a dangerous criminal. At the end of the day, he had to be imprisoned for evading federal income taxes.
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Imagine if Capone had been commander of "all of the resources of the American police, FBI and other federal authorities", as Clinton and her husband were. The IRS would have sat up and barked for ol' Al, like Margaret Milner Richardson did for Big Bill when her IRS investigated and audited Clinton's political opponents and critics.

Bill did what he did, but one really has nothing to do with the other.

This is an untrue statement. Clinton's obstruction of justice and perjury in front of a federal judge and a grand jury are part and parcel of a seamless "webb" (**snicker**) of serial felonious criminal activity by a career law enforcement official who couldn't be touched because of the corrupt nature and structure of today's American politics.

Many of us anonymous posters on this site and other websites took notice of the activities of this "untouchable" criminal - but we're not the important observers.

The dangerous watchers were the totalitarian power addicts in America who duly noted the ways and means of acquiring and exercising the power of Clinton's kind of "law enforcement" - and the fact that he and his wife were untouched by investigations into their blatant criminal activity. Don't think we won't see more of this kind of activity in the future.

Neither he nor his wife have been charged in anything.

Just remember that Joseph Stalin was never charged for murder during his lifetime by the Russian government. Does that mean he murdered no one? ;-)

63 posted on 06/26/2002 8:45:31 AM PDT by an amused spectator
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