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Feds shun help with firefighting: Forest Service asks for private dozers, then turns them down
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, June 27, 2002 | By Sarah Foster

Posted on 06/27/2002 2:46:02 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: Grampa Dave
Those guys who operate those bull dozers as a living can drive circles around a USFS guy who does this only when fighting a fire.

And for free no less.

41 posted on 06/27/2002 6:08:46 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: BOBTHENAILER
No, it's not so unbelievable. When my son was in the Army there were all kinds of restriction on the tank training. Be careful of this tree, watch out for that plant, blah blah, and be careful not to disturb the woodpecker nests............AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What is it going to take.........????????????

42 posted on 06/27/2002 6:12:45 PM PDT by OldFriend
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
What you say can be as complicated as a real agenda to dehumanize areas, or as dumb as an agent of the government not knowing his shoes from his socks. Who can tell anymore, and who cares?

D.C. is broken, it cannot be mended, the States need to repeal the Amendments to the constitution that took their power and take authority back from D.C.

The only thing that is going to save the Republic at this late date, given our razor thin time frame, is not Judical appointments, but disbanning Judical courts and bleeding the power away from D.C.. It can be done if enough people get off their hind ends and demand it on the steps of their state capitals.

43 posted on 06/27/2002 6:15:29 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Kermit
That's an old lowtrack, those things could push better than the new high tracks.
44 posted on 06/27/2002 6:23:11 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: JohnHuang2
Good thing Bush is President, because if Gore was President...
45 posted on 06/27/2002 6:24:42 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: harpseal
It is once more evidence of the takeover of the forrest service by envirornmentalist idealogs who do not consider the consequences of their actions.

Isn't Bush the Commander-in-Chief?

46 posted on 06/27/2002 6:26:51 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: editor-surveyor
The same mentality that allows logging and road building activities after a fire but not prior to the fire.

Your tax dollars hard at work.

47 posted on 06/27/2002 6:27:48 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: Gritty
It's hard to believe we pay this idiot our tax dollars to make these mistakes.
48 posted on 06/27/2002 6:30:16 PM PDT by alaskanfan
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To: editor-surveyor
The work of the Bush administration, much like the work of the Clinton administration, I'll never vote for a Republicrat again.
49 posted on 06/27/2002 6:32:25 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: JohnHuang2
it does seem that there are assets that are not being utilized."

Why does that not surprise me? They are merely a mirror image of corporate America who are now struggling to make a profit. Bogged down by bureaucratic BS., decisions being made by managers who are afraid to make decisions without first consulting their superiors and thus creating an atmosphere of an ineffectual cluster %&$*! The ones who know how to truly deal with their problem are hard at work with the shovels.......

50 posted on 06/27/2002 6:36:00 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: zcat
Wait a minute here. They were haveing a few beers at the time (not reported).

51 posted on 06/27/2002 6:43:34 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: editor-surveyor
Pardon the double pings, but this is the same story as the thread that was pulled.

Thank you for the ping, even though it was a double.

Upon learning of the Forest Service decision, Kent McNaughten, a resident of Crystola, declared, "I'm a homeowner in the area threatened by this fire. The Forest Service calls it a 'monster.' I'm incensed that the Forest Service has decided to fight the fire with one hand tied behind their back. They're fighting a bear with a peashooter. They needed a rifle, and when it was offered, they declined it."

Exaclty! I am completely dumbfounded that someone would refuse the solution because they thought it would cause too much damage.

Duh! As if the fire wasn't going to cause any damage.

Some people don't even have the brains of a rock, let alone an animal.

52 posted on 06/27/2002 6:51:10 PM PDT by SpottedBeaver
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To: JohnHuang2
After reading this I fear I may be going mad. Its to increadable to be a hoax.

If I disapear from FR, its because a can't post in a straight jacket.

53 posted on 06/27/2002 7:03:12 PM PDT by oyez
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To: editor-surveyor
"You are about to enter a place in time beyond all human reason. You have just entered the Twilight Zone." This is surreal. I'm expecting the credits to come on screen any minute now.
54 posted on 06/27/2002 7:49:05 PM PDT by Zon
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To: JohnHuang2
Much the same thing happened a couple of years ago on S.R. 24 about 2 miles West of the Hanford Gate here in central Wash. State. A lady apparently had a heart attack, crossed the center line and collided with a truck. A brush/grass fire resulted.

It so happened that another truck with a back-hoe in tow came upon the accident a few minutes later. The owner offered to unload the back-hoe and put a line around the fire since it hadn't grown very large at that point. The Marine-Fisheries-Wildlife guy, who was on hand with all the other feckless bureaucrats wouldn't let him because they didn't want vehicle tracks on this pristine wasteland.

The result was that the fire got away, burned over a hundred-thousand acres, twenty some-odd buildings, countless animals and especially elk who were trapped by an elk-fence some 50 miles to the East. Plus, habitat that is just now starting to recover.

So much for the Harvard/Yale educated fools that these bureaucracies hire. Very Stupid!!!!!!

55 posted on 06/27/2002 8:12:06 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: editor-surveyor
You don't have to convince me.

Anything to help people lose their property or sign up for federal government "help".

56 posted on 06/27/2002 8:21:16 PM PDT by Eustace
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To: Zon
"You are about to enter a place in time beyond all human reason. You have just entered the Twilight Zone." This is surreal. I'm expecting the credits to come on screen any minute now.

It's not only surreal; it's dumb. Who better that mine-construction workers to know the terrain and the best ways to meet the challenges? Or Army tank personnel who are trained to solve access problems very quickly?

Wise government officials (oxymoron?) would be using the construction equipment and engineers, and the Army assets in the neighborhood, and fighting this national emergency. Instead of trying to blame the tree huggers for the fire, they should just get in there and deal with it.

57 posted on 06/27/2002 8:35:09 PM PDT by grania
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To: Parmy
I believe a big part of the problem is that these forest lands are in the hands of the Federals back in DC. The Bureaucrats know that they will have no consequences for their actions. They will be protected by the 'crats at HQ, transfered somewhere else, retired with full salary or whatever.

The States need to take over these lands in their States to put some accountability back into the scene. Local politicians will feel the heat and will come down on the bureaucrats. Of course, the real solution is to privatize the land. Whatever it takes to get it out of the hands of the Feds.

Notice that these fires over the past few years do not occur east of the Mississippi, where the Feds hardly have any land. Co-incidence? NO!

58 posted on 06/27/2002 8:36:08 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: editor-surveyor
bump
59 posted on 06/27/2002 8:45:24 PM PDT by mafree
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
This is not a case of the federal bureaucracy, this is a case of a small-minded, petty individual who believes the stars and the heavens revolve around him. We see these morons everywhere not just in the federal government.
60 posted on 06/27/2002 8:55:35 PM PDT by SBeck
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