Skip to comments.5 rules for (CCW) Concealed Carry Weapon
Posted on 06/28/2002 9:13:48 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER
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"KNOW EXACTLY WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR WEAPON."
"IF YOU CAN RUN AWAY SAFELY- RUN!"
"DISPLAY YOUR WEAPON, GO TO JAIL."
"DON'T LET YOUR EMOTIONS GET THE BEST OF YOU." "YOUR CONCEALED WEAPON IS FOR PROTECTION OF LIFE ONLY."
Even though you didn't initiate the confrontation, if you can't back off and let it go, and wind up using that gun, a jury will crucify you- even if I'm on that jury! (Maybe ESPECIALLY if I'm on the jury...)
Fortunately, judging by the behavior of folks in Alaska who have a CCW, this is not a big problem- the kind of people who are willing to attend the training and jump through the hoops to get a CCW seem to take the responsibility seriously.
A. The ABILITY to inflict serious bodily injury. He is armed or reasonably appears to be armed.
Or not. We just buried a LEO yesterday who was trying to deal with a naked, paranoid crack addict. The latter got hold of the former's service piece and put 11 bullets into his head.
It differs from state to state, and I'd strongly advise those who carry concealed to be intimately familiar with their state's (and city's, if pertinent) laws concerning deadly force, and current on changes made to those laws. In my state (Washington) you are justified in using deadly force to prevent death or "grave physical injury" to yourself or to another. In Texas you may do so under some circumstances involving protection of property. The penalty for not knowing this is potentially a life term in prison.
I wondered about this.
Being "normal" sized (5'9", 185), how large does another man have to be before I can defend myself w/ my handgun? 6'2", 225; 6'5", 250; etc. Kind of a blurry line.
Carrying has made me a whole lot mellower, though, - I avoid confrontation like the plague.
My finger waving is no more, I am more mellow, I am always more friendly, I avoid situations, I am more aware of danger and leave.
When it comes to protecting my family I follow the rules.
Yep you hit the nail on the head.
the kind of people who are willing to attend the training and jump through the hoops to get a CCW seem to take the responsibility seriously.
These people who carry are very resonsible and do take it seriously.
Michigan CCW birthday was next week. 50,000 CCW citizens have not had road rage, have not killed each other over parking lot disputes, and it is not the wild west.
Where are those gun grabbers now!!
This unknown author is giving an example. You must decide if the rule applies to males. He said if handicap, or you against a professional fighter with legal fists.
You will known if you are a solid citizen and practice the rules.
Your statement is TRUE. In some states you can protect property.
The 5 rules will work in any state. It has a very good chance of working in even the most liberal state with no CCW carry law. If I am attacked in New York, Kalifornia, Illinois, and he has a weapon, I will still take my chances by following these rules with the law of any state.
and gentle squeeze
yes these are good tips of humor.
Oh, they are still out there- millions of them.
You see, they cannot be persuaded by logic, or even by facts (like the fact that there is practically ZERO incidence of illegal use of firearms by CCW holders). No, these folks are quite simply AFRAID- of you, of me, of guns, and probably of mice and loud noises. It is not rational, and cannot be overcome by argument.
Believe me, I have tried to talk quite a few of these folks out of their fear of CCW laws- and it is just a complete waste of time.
Sure, James Bond carried that .32 Walther PP - but he only faced enemies using blanks! So avoid all those new tiny .32 semis.
keep talking. It is fun. Here are a few good ones to coin into your talks.
I am intolerant. I'm intolerant of evil. That's a good thing.
Tolerance of evil would be evil.
Statistics show that most fatal accidents(which occur at home)take place in the bathroom.I don't want ONE MORE FATAL ACCIDENT TO OCCUR,THEREFOR I AM GOING TO GET THE GOVERNMENT TO BAN ALL VISITS TO THE BATHROOM!!This sounds pretty stupid,RIGHT???
I use a similar tactic. . . We had a neighbor who hit us up with the "Just Ask" campaign last year. We responded with a big, bright yellow sign for their front yard. "This home PROUDLY Gun-Free". If they'd leave it on their front lawn for a week, we'd answer as to whether we were armed or not.
80 million gun owners provided protection for their families last night. What did you do?
Joseph Sobran used to offer his anti-gun acquaintances window stickers that said:
This Is A Gun-Free Household
No one ever took one from him. I wonder why?
I carry in my synagogue open. The rabbi has no problem with it and even encourages me to do so. Hey its free security and I will be there before the police arrive.
"It's been a burning issue," according to Bradley DeBraska, president of the Milwaukee Police Association, who says off-duty officers worry about retaliation from criminals they've arrested. "We basically have 50 different state laws that regulate police officers and concealment when we cross state lines, and we simply don't know them all. We don't have a clue."
"Who then are this individual with such a universal wisdom that it gives them the right to veto the judgment of this intelligent multitude of 80 million gun owners?
There is a huge difference between feeling safe and being safe.
You can't control the wind, but you can certainly adjust your sails."
Concealment would be the only problem.
BTW, can anyone tell me what that shiny revolver Miss Shagwell lugged -is?
Yes if you are ever in a gun battle, a larger caliber is best.
WE are talking here about self defense. Just flashing a gun will send 99.5% of felons running. Therefore, that last .5% where meet all of the 5 rules, and end up in a gun fight, yes take
and gentle squeeze
as poster #9 suggests.
80 million honest american citizens provided protection for their families last night. What did you do?
What are you talking about. 80 million honest americans were packing last night? I thought this was CCW.
Check out the Sig P232 - a .380 double-action semi superficially resembling the Walther PPK and that same size. Also check out the similar-sized Kahr K9 double-action semi in 9mm. Both are great.
An SC LEO pulled me over a while back for traveling many decibels above the post limit on a deserted back road. He asked me if I was carrying, when I produced a CWP. "Yes" and then he asked me what. I told him a .32 auto. He promptly went into a lecture on how I should be carrying at least a 9mm. He didn't ticket me, even though he could have impounded my car. Then came the stearn warning, "Get rid of the mouse gun." I did.
Glad to hear you're with us on the Second Amendment, brother. Because, as most of us know, only a spineless, mealy-mouthed Finestein-Schumerite couldn't care less about it.
Sounds like you are a gun owner, who is chooses to venture outside the home with a firearm. That is ok not everybody is willing to carry when they travel in dangerous areas. Only 1% carry in most states. Michigan 53,000 CCW is a small % of gun owners of the state.
I know you are not talking to me, and I also know that the 2nd ammendment is not about the 'right' to carry a 357 into a bar or a park or even down the alley in my hood. When you say brother are we brothers in arms on this issue? Guns are not my Father.
I guess this doesn't apply to all.
I read last night in my new America's 1st freedom, about an incident with then Maryland Governor Donald Schafer.
To quopte the article:On March 15, 1993 he called a press conference hyping his proposal to ban 15 semi-automatic pistols.
After a reporter smiled at one of the governor's foreboding comments, Schaefer pointed a 9 mm pistol at the reporter and declared: "Some of you have never had it in your face. I bet you wouldn't be laughing. I bet you wouldn't be smiling. I don't know what would happen to your pants, but I can imagine."
Police routinely arrest people who point guns (even unloaded guns) at other people on charges of criminal assault. If a private citizen had pointed an unloaded gun at the governor, the penalty likely would have been instant death from the governor's numerous armed bodyguards. But Schaefer's press secretary later explained: "Because he did not mean it in a threatening way, I don't see that it was a problem, from his perspective.
Seems like there is a dual standard.
This is about the time a CWP-carrying audience member could have - and should have - legally blown the governor away.
The Kahr might be a bit more intimidating than your baby Glock. BTW, is the Glock a 9mm?
I don't think I would give intimidation value prime consideration in choice of a handgun. I think you should think first and foremost about what is going to best do the job if you do have to use it. What is going to be good enough to do the job; what can you shoot accurately and well; what will be practical for you to carry.
Unless you're dealing with something really small, I'm not sure you would get that much higher of a back-down rate based on the size of the gun.
There's another important factor here in the back-down rate: your demeanor, and I'm not sure you can convincingly fake that in the stress of a real confrontation.
Personally, I wouldn't count on simply sticking out a big, "intimidating" gun and counting on that to do the trick. Sounds better to me to have a mid-sized gun and be prepared to use it, than to have a big one and not be prepared to use it.
And personally, I wouldn't go for anything smaller than a 9mm.
PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER
A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
B. Any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, against another person who has made an unlawful entry into that dwelling and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant of the dwelling.
C. Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including but not limited to deadly force, pursuant to the provisions of subsection B of this section, shall have an affirmative defense in any criminal prosecution for an offense arising from the reasonable use of such force and shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the reasonable use of such force.
D. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, Sections 1 through 25 of this act, shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.
A deputy friend of mine was assaulted at a shopping mall by some perp he had dealth with in the past. He didn't even remember the guy. Perp and his friends were armed, and after knocking myfriend down from behind they threatened his wife. Luckily, several more deputies that had been shopping with them earlier (but had left to go to another store) showed up, drew concealed weapons, and put a stop to everything.
My friend can carry concealed, but had left his pistol in his vehicle for some reason. I bet he never does that again.
My demeanor is along the lines of "make my day" (I brandished once to a stalker trying to break into my glass door at home) I thought at the time he was mortified at the sight of my big, shiny Magnum as his eyes were fixated on it.
I just can't say I would have gotten the same 'scared rabbit' response with my carry Glock.
Never shoot to kill , shoot to live..........:o)
Stay Safe !
Don't quite agree with this one. In Arizona and several states we can carry concealed or openly. For example I see bikers all the time driving down the road with a handgun on their hip. Maybe you mean brandish rather than display?
Worth repeating friend. You have my vote for King of the World.
If everyone followed this simple sub-section of the golden rule, we'd all be using guns soley for fun and shooting sports. They would be regarded as one views a set of golf clubs.
Nice thought isn't it? It's sad that people choose to use them to violate one another.
This may be the law in some places, but it is BS. Most men are fully capable of killing each other unarmed, and some are no doubt sitting in prison and cemetaries because they found that out the hard way.
People who think this way have seen too many movies.
All an agressor who is attacking you should ever see if the application of deadly force is justified are muzzle flashes as you conduct a failure drill on their person (2 to the chest and one to the head as fast as one may apply it accurately).
A scornful look or sneer or being 6 feet four inches tall and 312 pounds is sufficiently intimidating.........not a firearm brandished. Which BTW may land one in the same cell of ones agressor in most cases.....
Stay Safe, carry intelligent , shoot smart as a last resort !
LOL ! .......Thank You Sir ! You ever get down to Reed Knights shop in Vero Beach ?? I come out to Melbourne this X-Mas to visit my Bro and his family I'll look ya up and we'll go window shopping down there........
Stay Safe !
Just got together for some range time with FReeper Joe Brower last weekend and had a nice time. I never miss an opportunity to meet others around here if I can help it.
Yes there is a duel standard.
Remember an unarmed subject is desired by politicans.
What part of "...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED..." is not understood?
Why should I trust a citizen who doesn't believe in all the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
In the United States the Bureau of Justice research shows inmates serving time in state prisons during 1997 said they obtained their guns from the following sources in percentages:
Purchased from a retail store 8.3 percent
Purchased at a pawn shop 3.8
Purchased at a flea market 1.0
Purchased in a gun show 0.7
Obtained from friends or family 39.6
Got on the street/illegal source 39.2
* Well Damm there goes the gun show loophole argument*
Brandish is probably a better choice of words. As you can see the author is UNKNOWN. I am just moving the cause along.
Very good post thought.
This version will pass most all DA's, Shooting guidelines. Personal issues of size.
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