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Let's Be Honest, Pledge Is A Stretch
Hartford Courant ^ | June 29 2002 | Stan Simpson

Posted on 06/29/2002 4:34:36 AM PDT by 2Trievers

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Having to recite the Pledge of Allegiance as a youngster often gave me the willies. Thought it was a damn lie. Still do, though I stand patiently at attention and wait for the disingenuous routine to end.

Unlike the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, I have no problem with the "one nation under God" part of the pledge. A heathen like me is all for more spirituality. I just have difficulty mustering any conviction for the part about "with liberty and justice for all." I find that to be a bit of a reach.


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To: JohnHuang2
Howdy, ping-man. Howsabout banging this thread, amigo?

I might have actually posted something important.

Stay well armed and vigilant, pal, and in your case, be cool............FRegards, gonz

21 posted on 06/29/2002 5:47:40 AM PDT by gonzo
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To: 2Trievers
"A heathen like me is all for more spirituality"

You all sure know how to build up each others confidence. You call each other the (N word). I'm not allowed to repeat it because it's demoralizing and I couldn't agree more. Now you call your self a heathen. What is it with you folks? From demoralizing to a heathen.

Tell us what your real problem is! Not enough, reparations money, you still dream about being a slave, you are a slave, your pants won't fit around your knees, no one understands you when you talk, you want to return to your homeland because the farms your brothers are stealing from the whites, are bigger then the ones here, you can't find the right size tire for a waist band. Please tell us.

22 posted on 06/29/2002 5:52:36 AM PDT by chachacha
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To: Inge_CAV
Can't speak to what the were thinking about, that would be assumptive at best. Just what were those men fighting for, what exactly were they defending?; The Pledge or The Constitution?. Don't you find it ironic that you post a picture of men who never said the Pledge Of Allegiance with "under G-d" in it as it wasn't inserted until 1954, 10 years after that picture was taken.

Try using your brain in a critical manner instead of wrapping yourself in the flag.

---max

23 posted on 06/29/2002 5:56:26 AM PDT by max61
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To: max61
Thanks, I will stand by the flag at the front lines.

You may take your critical manner of thinking, safely to the rear.

Have a nice day!
24 posted on 06/29/2002 6:07:53 AM PDT by Inge_CAV
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To: 2Trievers
The Pledge of Allegiance states how our country is intended to be - and would be - if Americans themselves would put the words into practice. It's like the bible. The words are truth, but man does not put the words into actions. It does not make the bible irrelevant. Does it give him "the willies" because the bible preaches love and love is not always shown? More reason than ever for our children to recite the Pledge. Perhaps they will begin to take it seriously. Also, this attention to the Pledge of Allegiance may make schools put more focus on its message and perhaps school children will learn to appreciate what it means. We are pledging our allegiance to a flag that represents all the ideals that this country is and is capable of.
25 posted on 06/29/2002 6:09:56 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: max61
Try using your brain in a critical manner instead of wrapping yourself in the flag. I can assure you they said many a prayer on that battlefield. I can also assure they were thanking GOD they were still alive, and able to raise that flag.

Use your brain in a constructive manner and stop wrapping it in twisted legal theory and paper like dead fish!

26 posted on 06/29/2002 6:11:18 AM PDT by chachacha
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To: 2Trievers
Well, your problem is obvious .... you belong in Cuba! How about YOU going to Cuba and send Elian Gonzalez back to the United States?
27 posted on 06/29/2002 6:13:36 AM PDT by Dittohead_2
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To: max61
"Try using your brain in a critical manner instead of wrapping yourself in the flag."

Try taking a chill pill, whydontcha. Maybe the soldiers at Iwo Jima should have flown one of these and you'd be happier! Geesh ... get a grip! &;-) HC


28 posted on 06/29/2002 6:16:02 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: Inge_CAV
Yer welcome, Inge! This leftist crap has to be refuted at every turn!

I'll bet the democRATS never saw the Internet coming! They had ABCNBCCBSCNN locked-up, but FR snuck-in under the radar!

Five years ago, the 'left' could have muscled this 'Under-God' stuff through without a peep, but today, they're just pouring gas on themselves and flicking Zippos.

Geez, even the politicos on both sides know the mood of America, and it ain't siding with Jesse or any other black idiot-with-a-typewriter.

As always, stay well armed and vigilant. There's more to come...........FRegards

29 posted on 06/29/2002 6:22:16 AM PDT by gonzo
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To: 2Trievers

Hey, no need to stand at attention. No one is trying to force this on you, this ain't Nazi Germany.

Don't like it, then don't say it.. Substitute allah, or the name of your great spirit. I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

The problem comes in when you have a tyrannical minority that demands the rest of us shut up. That's what bugs me and, frankly I think what bugs me worse is the happiness this minority exihibits when they successfully gag the rest of us via judicial activism..

30 posted on 06/29/2002 6:23:45 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
Many are talking about a "New" Revolution ... sometimes you can smell/taste it in the air. &;-) HC
31 posted on 06/29/2002 6:26:28 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
I think everyone is missing the point. The firestorm that developed after this ruling has little to do with the pledge, or "under God", but the feeling that our culture is under attack, and has been for many years.

This ruling was just one more poke in the eye from those that want to change who and what we are, into something different.

The silent majority found a voice and said enough is enough.

The pendulum has swung way to left since FDR. I am hoping that this will later be seen as the turning point, as the pendulum begins to swing back in the other direction.

Civil Rights, women's liberation, polictical correct speech, welfare, NEA, hyphenated-Americans, enviromentalist, gays, and a hundred other leftest agendas all have over stayed their welcome.

I don't know about you, but I am getting tired of hearing about them.

Anyone remember Network, "I am tired as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore!" Well the main stream media and the polictican just heard 200 million Americans stick their heads out the window and shout that. Will they listen? Not likley, but we may begin to see some being voted out of office. And that is a language they understand.

32 posted on 06/29/2002 6:26:36 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: 2Trievers

A what?

What are they gonna do? Ram us with the 9th circuit bench?

In case they forgot, the Conservatives have all the guns.

(and more than a few axes to grind, imho.. )

33 posted on 06/29/2002 6:33:21 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: CIB-173RDABN
"I don't know about you, but I am getting tired of hearing about them."

See post # 31 ... it may be time to be much more pro-active! &;-) HC

34 posted on 06/29/2002 6:35:02 AM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: max61; Inge_CAV
"...Try using your brain in a critical manner instead of wrapping yourself in the flag..."

The flag is warm and comfortable, max, and a source of hope for many of us.

You've been underground too long. Stick with golf. We'll do the hard work..............FRegards

35 posted on 06/29/2002 6:37:30 AM PDT by gonzo
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To: gonzo
I didn't find - yet - the article on the history of political correctness we discussed over that steak, but I found this in my archives which seems spot on to what you are saying:
punch here
36 posted on 06/29/2002 7:44:17 AM PDT by B Ireland
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To: B Ireland
Hi Bob. Hope all is well.

The Tyranny of Political Correctness

The Origins of Political Correctness

38 posted on 06/29/2002 7:54:49 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: gonzo
There's more on the floor!:

Excerpts from FCF Programming, and other FCF projects. July 22, 1999

The Free Congress Commentary

The Tyranny of Political Correctness
by: William S. Lind

    America today is increasingly a conquered nation. What has conquered us? An ideology --specifically, the hideous ideology known as Political Correctness, which is really Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms.

    What is ideology? In philosopher's terms, it is a "construct": a system of ideas, derived from one or another theory, that purports to explain reality. In fact, reality is inevitably more complex than the theory can explain, with the result that reality and theory clash. Here is where the difficulty arises. In science, when reality and theory clash, the theory is revised. But in politics, such revision is considered heresy by the ideologues (In Marxism, "revisionist" was a nasty insult). In their view, the theory is incapable of error. Therefore, reality must be denied, and suppressed. Anyone who recognizes it must be silenced, and punished. The result, as we have seen in Germany, in Russia and elsewhere, is the end of freedom and the growth of tyranny.

    In terms of the clash between theory and reality, Political Correctness is an extreme ideology, because it is an ideology of total inversion. Beliefs and social relationships are not merely changed, but turned upside down. The old sins, such as sex outside marriage, become virtues, while the old virtues, such as disapproval of homosexuality, become sins. Women are elevated over men, some (not all) racial minorities over whites, the sexually deviant over the sexually normal, the young over the old. Art is intended alienate, not to beautify. Paganism is preferred over Christianity.

    The more violently an ideology conflicts with reality, the more tyrannical it must become. The tyranny of Political Correctness is already seen on many a college campus, where any professor or student who dares question, finds himself in serious trouble. Any public figure who contradicts its dictates must offer a groveling apology or be cast into outer darkness, exiled from the public square.

    Why can't more Americans see what is happening? In part, because of the way Political Correctness operates, through psychological conditioning. In part, because it is happening without mobs of workers in the streets carrying hammers and sickles or troops of goose-stepping Brownshirts. In large part, Americans cannot see it because they know "it can't happen here." Only it is happening here.

    The great question confronting Americans as the 21st century opens is whether we will have to go through the full totalitarian experience, as Germany and Russia did. The form, of course, will be different, but the reality is always the same: thought control, with dissenters facing prison or worse. That is, in the end, what so-called "hate-crimes" are about: the criminalizing of political thoughts that dare defy Political Correctness. Sad to say, Ronald Reagan was wrong; it's not morning in America. It is twilight, and the night may be a long one. Bill Lind is director of the Free Congress Foundation's Center for Cultural Conservatism. Contact: Bill Lind @ Free Congress Foundation 202.546.3000

Visit Our Website at www.FreeCongress.org

Copyright © Free Congress Foundation 1999
All Rights Reserved

40 posted on 06/29/2002 7:58:39 AM PDT by B Ireland
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