[AZ] Green group lawsuit blocked forest thinning

Arizona Tribune ^ | 30 June, 2002 | MARK FLATTEN AND DAN NOWICKI

[Carry_Okie]

I don't see that they missed anything.

I do.

They don't have a solution.

I do.

[tubebender]

The next law suit they file will be to prevent any salvage logging in these burned areas as they have in the "Megan fire" of Humboldt and Trinity counties. After thee years the trees are useless as fiber because of beetle damage and rot.

BTW, you can substitute any National Forest in the Article to see the same types of law suits.

[BlueDragon]

what these enviro-nazis don't understand is the simple fact that; if it is not farmed, mined, logged, or fished---it doesn't, for all practical purposes, exist.
Somewhere, somebody has to hit a lick and actually work. We can't ALL be "information" workers!

[farmfriend]

Thanks for the ping. Great article.

[Nick Danger]

Where is the judge who will say, "I do not manage forests. I leave that to the Forest Service, which has been duly appointed to perform the function, and which has acquired expertise in doing so. I do not know fire management from Shinola. I am a member of the Judicial Branch, which has no authority under the Constitution to perform natural resource management."

Why do these judges think they have to rule on anything and everything brought before them?

[cartoonistx]

"The Forest Service did not adequately analyze impacts on the endangered birds such as the pygmy nuthatch, the yellow-bellied sapsucker and the northern goshawk."
Analysis complete...THEIR ALL DEAD!

[Carry_Okie]

Why do these judges think they have to rule on anything and everything brought before them?

From what I hear and can tell, money. You might ask Iconoclast2. He's been there more than any of us over these Pacific Northwest salmon lawsuits.

[crusher999]

At the end of a local TV interview, the father of a displaced family from the Rodeo Fire, looked at the camera, and asked, “Where’s the Spotted Owl now?”

Indeed.

If the Spotted Owl was too stupid to get out of the way of the 200 foot flames…then I say, “Spotted Owl…it’s what’s for dinner. I’ll take mine well done."

But I doubt our little feathered friend is as dumb as the EnviroNuts would have us think, and is fat and sassy sitting in a tree a few miles down the road, and prospering quite nicely, thank you very much.

No longer should we sit back and hope that the Sierra Club, or Center For Biological Diversity overlook "us" and file suit on some other development, or forest fire prevention project.

The time is right to go on the offensive.

If every State, County and Tribal Government, as well as every “Klamath Falls” and “Rodeo/Chediski” citizens group, were to bring multi-million dollar suits against these voodoo environmentalists, then they would get a taste of their own medicine and be litigated into oblivion, never to be heard from again.

Note to Matt Salmon, Republican Gubernatorial hopeful for the State of Arizona.

Unearth any kind of “wink and nod” from Arizona Attorney General Janet Napolitano, (A.K.A. Expected Democratic Nominee for Governor, A.K.A.Counsel to Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings) to any of these “Greenie Groups” and the keys to the mansion will be yours.

[madfly]

Senator Jon Kyl has lambasted the Southwest Center for Biodiversity in his statement at Show Low last week. Here is something from his website:

http://www.senate.gov/~kyl/#statmnt

"Environmentally-sound strategies such as forest thinning and controlled burns clear away small, dry, and disease-prone trees and underbrush that serve as kindling for fires and prevent healthy growth. Arizonans can see the results of such proper forest-management techniques firsthand. The White Mountain Fort Apache Indian Reservation, Mount Trumbell, and other places in our state prove that properly-thinned forests are not only healthier and fire-resistant, but much more attractive. "Yet standing in the way of these efforts are radical environmentalists who file litigation and seek to otherwise obstruct forest treatment. They would rather the forests burn than to see sensible forest management. As of last month, there were 5,000 legal challenges pending against the U.S. Forest Service, which devotes nearly 40 percent of its resources to defending against lawsuits and complying with environmental regulations. This is time and money taken away from fighting fires.

"Along with other Western Senators, I am proposing legislation shortly to establish an ecological research institute in Arizona that will work with land managers to implement forest-restoration treatments throughout the state. As it happens, my request for $1 million in federal funding for a pilot program to treat Apache-Sitgreaves through forest thinning was granted shortly before this wildfire broke out. We will work to fund more pilot programs throughout the state, because as long as we leave our forests untreated, we will guarantee catastrophic damage."

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[madfly]

ping #30

[madfly]

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[CedarDave]

Thanks for the PING. I'm adding the western US states to the topic list so that others (like me) who missed the original post can see more of the underlying cause of this tragic fire.

[CedarDave]

Whoops!! Added Missouri instead of Montana. Sorry about that "Show Me" staters!

[Nuke'm Glowing]

Why don't they just go back to the pre-80's era and consolidate into one group like they used to? You know, the old CPUSA (Communist Party of the United States of America). It would make it a lot easier for everyone to follow then.

[Grampa Dave]

Yeah and their role models, the German Nazis were not guilty of any war crimes and crimes against humanity with their anti human agendas. (at least in their eyes)

It is time for some hard nosed lawyers to take these new Nazis, the Enviral Nazis into civil courts and hammer them for the damages that their agendas have caused.

Then, if there were criminal activities such as creation of bad science by the fed druids, use of federal employees to create their Druid agendas, and then to carry out their Druid agendas that resulted in these fires. Criminal suits and Rico suits against the Druid feds and Enviral Nazis Druids need to be instigated.

[blackie]

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[BOBTHENAILER]

Just a little math to ponder:

60' (timber fire break) times 5280' (mile) times 100 miles, divided by 43560 (sq ft in acre) equals 727.27 acres cleared.

At close to 500,000 acres burned to the ground, cleared, wasted and wiped out for at least 10-20years, I would call the trade-off quite good.

Bear in mind that 100 miles of a sixty foot timber break is only my guess as to what would be sufficient for a safety margin. Even if it's double or triple that, the tradeoff is more than good.

Then again, common sense does not exist with Enviro/nazi's!!!

[Grampa Dave]

Great point here, Bob.

Lets go with a 100 yard or 300' wide fire break.

That would mean 3636.35 acres cleared to save 500,000 acres.

3636/500,000 equals an investment of .727% of forest lands to save the 500,000 acres.

These enviral Nazis did not want these breaks as they would be intrusions into their druid sanctuaries and could be used as roads after the fire was over to harvest the dead trees, killed by the fires.

The reality is that these Enviral Nazis never want another tree harvested for our use. That includes dead trees from the fires that their agenda killed.