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Pledge Banner Michael Newdow's Daughter a Christian
Chuck Smith, Calvary Chapel

Posted on 07/01/2002 12:34:51 PM PDT by SkunkPunk

Last night I attended Calvary Chapel in Fountain Valley, home of Pastor Chuck Smith, founder of the original Calvary Chapel. He told us that Michael Newdow's daughter is a born again Christian and attends a Calvary Christian school. Mr. Newdow was the atheist who brought the Pledge of Allegiance ban lawsuit to court claiming his daughter's rights were violated because of a reference to God in the pledge. Chuck Smith was told of this through a sister Calvary Chapel and got a hold of his contacts in the media. The daughter will now appear on the Today show later this week to denounce her fathers lawsuit. Calvary will release this information to the press later today.


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To: SkunkPunk
He told us that Michael Newdow's daughter is a born again Christian and attends a Calvary Christian school.

Then why was the suit brought against the Elk Grove school district?

21 posted on 07/01/2002 12:53:23 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: SkunkPunk; phasma proeliator
CPI Exclusive: Daughter, Mother: Leave God in the Pledge
22 posted on 07/01/2002 12:53:25 PM PDT by niki
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To: phasma proeliator
I guess this "newbie" got it right. For a second I thought you guys were going to have to "jump me in" to your gang.
23 posted on 07/01/2002 12:55:45 PM PDT by SkunkPunk
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To: frmrda
I highly doubt she can speak about religion one way or another at that age.

With all due respect...

I've learned that it is fruitless to attempt to correct my 8 y/o son when discussing biblical ideaology.

His grasp of the bible is so much more firm then mine, and his memory is fine-tuned in a way that only a childs' is.

In fact, often I find that I am learning from him.
24 posted on 07/01/2002 12:59:05 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: SkunkPunk
Hearsay.
25 posted on 07/01/2002 1:03:48 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Illbay
She apparently was in second grade two years ago when he first sued. That would put her in 4th or 5th now.

From The Times, London:
Michael Newdow, a retired surgeon whose case to ban the phrase was supported, then suspended, by a Californian court this week, prompted angry criticism in a country where religion is theoretically barred from government life.

Dr. Newdow, a single father who brought the suit on behalf of his eight-year-old daughter, received death threats after the court's decision that the word God in the daily school recitation was unconstitutional. "Shame on you" and "You Commie bastard", were some of the milder messages. One of the most extreme was left by a woman who said: "I hope you and your daughter go to hell. People are going to get even. I hope you suffer."
From The Plain Dealer:
Newdow's complaint, filed ostensibly on behalf of a daughter who attends a public school, is that by its mere mention of the deity, the pledge flunks the Establishment Clause - the constitutional prohibition against Congress creating or endorsing a state religion.

A lower court, quite properly, threw out his complaint, thus issuing an invitation for the oft-reversed 9th Circuit to prove once again just how far out of touch it is with both the general public and a rational interpretation of the law.

The dissenting judge, Ferdinand Fernandez, got it right: "Such phrases as "In God We Trust," or "under God" have no tendency to establish a religion in this country or to suppress anyone's exercise, or non-exercise, of religion, except in the fevered eye of persons who most fervently would like to drive all tincture of religion out of the public life of our polity."
From The Times-Picayune:
Even before "under God" was added, the U.S. Supreme Court had ruled that no kid could be forced to recite the pledge or salute the flag after Jehovah's Witnesses filed suit citing the biblical injunction against worshipping graven images. But teachers in various parts of the country have still been required to begin each day with the pledge for such kids as wish to recite it.

The right to opt out was not enough for Michael Newdow, who filed the suit that led to the apocalyptic ruling. Newdow, an atheist with a daughter in grade school, must have too much time on his hands, for listening to kids recite the Pledge of Allegiance is a brief ordeal that is unlikely to cause even an unbeliever's offspring any lasting psychic trauma.
From Newsday:
Two years ago, Newdow, a Sacramento doctor who holds a law degree and represented himself, sued because his second-grade daughter was compelled to listen to her classmates recite the pledge at the Elk Grove school district. On Wednesday, a federal appeals court covering nine Western states declared that reciting the pledge in public schools is unconstitutional because of the words "under God" inserted by Congress in 1954.

26 posted on 07/01/2002 1:03:56 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: mc5cents
Michael Newdow's daughter is a born again Christian and attends a Calvary Christian school.

Born again? I thought she was in 2nd grade? What does 'born again' mean anyway? Don't you have to have been a christian, lost the faith and then returned before you can be 'born again'? Or is "born again" just being baptised again? I'm confused.

You should read John Chapter 3, at least to verse 21. John 3:3, Jesus answered and said unto [Nicodemus], "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus had the same question you have.

27 posted on 07/01/2002 1:07:03 PM PDT by far sider
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To: Illbay
Children can certainly be born again, and be rather vocal about it too. That said, however, I tend to agree with you that we need more evidence before we believe this. But even if it were true, I would not be surprised that the media would not carry the story. FNC would--and would love it--but the others would not necessarily.
28 posted on 07/01/2002 1:09:43 PM PDT by twigs
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To: SkunkPunk
Newdow, who also has a law degree, was portrayed in some circles Wednesday as a radical bent on destroying the foundations of the country. But looking around his two-story house in an established subdivision near the border with Elk Grove, where his daughter will attend third grade this fall, nothing could be more American.

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/06/27/MN244348.DTL

I think you are being scammed. I admit that I do not really understand what all the implications of the term "born again" but I can't begin to imagine how it could apply to an 8 year old child. No Christian denomination that I am aware of would consider a child below the age of reason capable of falling from God's grace and in need of being "born again."

29 posted on 07/01/2002 1:10:53 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Illbay
The girl is in elementary school. Both the mother and daughter attend the same Calvary Chapel my family does. They are indeed Christians.
30 posted on 07/01/2002 1:17:46 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Ditto
We all fall short of the glory of God, no matter what age.
31 posted on 07/01/2002 1:17:58 PM PDT by SkunkPunk
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To: niki; *all; SkunkPunk
Most excellent...

I'm glad this turned out not to be bogus. I sit corrected.

32 posted on 07/01/2002 1:18:34 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
I don't think your son, or any 8 year old, can adequately discuss the ins and outs of religion. Sure, they may be able to memorize Bible verses, etc. but all they are doing is regurgitation what they hear. They cannot, as this girl is supposedly going to do, say why she feels her religion is right for her, and why atheism, or another relition is not for her. After she gets some life experience she will, but come on, an 8 year old cannot grasp complex religious doctrines, let alone say which one, if any, is good for her.
33 posted on 07/01/2002 1:20:40 PM PDT by frmrda
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To: SkunkPunk; Congressman Billybob
He told us that Michael Newdow's daughter is a born again Christian and attends a Calvary Christian school.

If this is true, and she does not attend a public school, then -- as I doubted on another thread -- Dr. Newdow indeed lied to the court. This statement appears early in the Ninth Circuit's opinion: Newdow does not allege that his daughter's teacher or school district requires his daughter to participate in reciting the Pledge. Rather, he claims that his daughter is injured when she is compelled to "watch and listen as her state-employed teacher in her state-run school leads her classmates in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God, and that our's [sic] is 'one nation under God.'"

34 posted on 07/01/2002 1:21:41 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: JennysCool
When I signed up - I wasn't able to post any articles for a couple of days (don't remember how long exactly).

but I've noticed a few times lately that this isn't the case anymore.

sorry - but I do not know when it started, or when it stopped.

35 posted on 07/01/2002 1:22:46 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: SkunkPunk
We all fall short of the glory of God, no matter what age.

Sorry. I can't buy that. God makes children perfect. It takes us adults a while to screw them up. 8 years is not enough.

36 posted on 07/01/2002 1:24:19 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
please see my post #30
37 posted on 07/01/2002 1:25:03 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
HM, thanks for your input!! Newdow is just demented.
38 posted on 07/01/2002 1:27:07 PM PDT by alisasny
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To: aristeides
I agree, this story is still too cloudy. If true, though, it represents a monumental failure of the media to properly follow up on this story (suprise). After all, it shouldn't have been that difficult to find out exactly where the girl attends school.
39 posted on 07/01/2002 1:28:20 PM PDT by TomB
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To: SkunkPunk
He told us that Michael Newdow's daughter is a born again Christian and attends a Calvary Christian school...

We attended the Calvary Chapel here for 10+ years, until attendance became too large. It was always a pleasure to hear Chuck Smith speak when he would visit our church.
The Calvary Chapel we currently attend also has a Calvary Christian School affiliated with it, where we send our children.

Regarding this update and new information, I find it rather interesting that this fact was not made known by the father during numerous interviews.
40 posted on 07/01/2002 1:28:26 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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