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Africa grapples with Romans 13
UPI ^ | July 3, 2002 | Uwe Siemon-Netto

Posted on 07/03/2002 7:53:56 PM PDT by gcruse

Faith: Africa grapples with Romans 13

By Uwe Siemon-Netto
UPI Religion Correspondent

From the

Life & Mind

Desk

Published 7/3/2002 6:25 PM

WASHINGTON, July 3 (UPI) -- As evangelical Christianity is becoming the dominant force in sub-Saharan Africa, the key New Testament passage dealing with the relationship between church and state has taken on paramount importance.

At last weekend's international conference titled, "The Bible and the Ballot Box: Evangelical Faith and Third-World Democracy," no other Biblical text came up more frequently than Romans 13:1-7, which reads in part:

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God ... Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed."

It's a troubling text because, depending on how you interpret these words, they might lead to the assumption that a Christian must not resist injustice.

At the conference in Potomac, Md., one presenter after another told the audience from five continents that in Africa this admonition by the apostle Paul had caused missionaries and old-style Evangelicals to take a quietist stance.

But this is changing, these scholars argued. They said that an African holism, which in the words of Oxford professor Terence O. Ranger "inseparably unites the 'secular' and the 'religious,'" always prevails in the long run.

"The question is... not whether Evangelical Christianity (in Africa) has been, is, and will be intensely 'political,' but how."

The issue here is by no means an exclusively African. The ugly ghosts of Christian quietism on the one hand and activist Christian enthusiasm on the other has haunted Europe especially in its darkest hours, the Nazi and Communist periods.

The operative term then was the same as in Africa now -- "two kingdoms," meaning a grotesque distortion of a Lutheran doctrine by that name. Its ghost, too, preoccupied the Potomac conference.

In reality, this doctrine describes God's two-fold reign in this world, where the Christian holds, in a sense, two passports. He is a citizen of the finite secular realm, where God acts in a hidden way.

Here natural reason is "the empress," according to Luther, and the governing authorities, though appointed by God, do not rule by the Gospel but by "the sword," the symbol of worldly power.

They need not be Christian as long as they act intelligently. It is better to have a "wise Turk than a foolish Christian" on the throne, Luther said.

But then there is also the infinite realm of the God revealed in Christ, of the Gospel, the Church, forgiveness, grace, faith and love. These two realms are not antagonistic to one another, as the doctrine's detractors would have you believe.

They serve each other. The secular realm assures good order so that the Gospel may be preached. And the spiritual realm admonishes and teaches secular rulers.

Far from preaching quietism, Luther called quietist preachers unfaithful pigs. "These are worthless, lazy preachers who do not tell the princes and lords their sins," he railed. "In some cases they do not notice these sins. They lie down and snore like swine, they take up the room where good preachers should stand."

Isabel Mukonyora, a Zimbabwean theologian, argued in an interview with United Press International that the pace of Evangelical growth on her continent has been too rapid for this kind of dialectical reflection to prevail in contemporary African theology.

She finds this troubling and fears that without theological depth the spread of evangelical -- and especially Pentecostal -- Christianity might in the end prove to be a straw fire.

History teaches us that while the bone-headed quietist misinterpretation of Romans 13, against which Luther thundered, proved disastrous, so did the utopian attempt of activist clerics to blur the distinction between the two realms.

Where this occurs, the devil is at work, said Luther. For Satan never ceases to "cook and brew the two realms together." In other words, the Church should speak up where secular rulers act contrary to Scripture. It should be a prophetic voice but not presume the duties of the state.

In Luther's rich language, a preacher "must grab into the princes' snouts but not interfere with their craft."

As the Potomac conference showed, Africa is far from immune from such interference by evangelical and other churchmen rightly rejoicing in their triumph. But Vinay Samuel, a Church of England canon who headed the Bible and Ballot Box project that was funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts, offered good news Wednesday.

"The problem has been recognized," he told UPI, "this is why we are churning out competent African theologians at an accelerated pace. We have already produced 15 African Ph.D.s." By "we," Indian-born Samuel meant the Oxford Center of Missionary Studies, an evangelical institution linked to the Universities of Leeds and Wales.

As a result, it is hoped that sophisticated Reformation and other doctrines on Romans 13 will give structure to the currently sometimes feral ferment of Christian growth south of the Sahara.

To this Luther aficionado, however, it is particularly gratifying that the Wittenberg reformer's often-maligned but immensely topical thoughts on matters of church and state will get a new hearing on what seems to evolve into the most Christian of continents -- Africa.

Copyright © 2002 United Press International
 


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To: Catholicguy
The Catholic Church IS the living authority of the New Testament she wrote every single word of.

I agree that the Universal (i.e., Catholic) Church was used by God to bring the Bible into the world...

But the private interpretation of many that the the Universal Church is centered in Rome, and is accoutable to the "authority" of the Pope, is a personal opinion found no-where in Scripture. Peter himself certainly did not believe any such thing, as Peter's most ancient biographers uniformly acknowledge.



Peter himself did not believe in "Petrine Supremacy"; rather, Peter reported to James (Acts 12:17) and Peter obeyed James (Acts 15: 13-22) and Peter deferred to James (Acts 21:18) and Peter feared James (Galatians 2:12). What kind of Petrine "Papacy" is this!!

In fact, not a single verse of Scripture suggests any kind of "Petrine Succession", and such a dogma was NOT the practice of the Early Church:

Your entire religious superstructure is founded upon an erroneous "private interpretation"... a Lie.

41 posted on 07/04/2002 1:29:14 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Eagle Eye
Wrong. This passage has nothing to do with secular government but with church government. To believe otherwise ignores the context of the chapter and requires one to believe that God endorsed Hitler, Stalin, etc. as His ministers.

No, Romans 13:1-10 is about Civil Government, and it certainly does not endorse Hitler or Stalin. Why? Because the Government is a minister for the punishment of Evil and the respect of Good. What is "Evil"? Murder, Adultery, Theft, Fraud, Coercion. The Civil Government is to punish these things.

A Government which does not punish Evil and respect Good, is not a Romans 13 "Good Government" and therefore does not enjoy the Romans 13 authority Paul recognizes for "Good Governments".

42 posted on 07/04/2002 1:35:44 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: George W. Bush
Oops!! Ping to #41.

Of course, #41 raises the side issue of just what sort of Elected Authority the bishop James enjoyed over the other Apostles. I suspect that a Presbyterian would read Acts 15 as a Presbyterian Synod, while a Baptist might counter that it is quite obviously a Baptist Convention... minus the egg salad.

43 posted on 07/04/2002 1:44:04 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I suspect that a Presbyterian would read Acts 15 as a Presbyterian Synod, while a Baptist might counter that it is quite obviously a Baptist Convention... minus the egg salad.

I'd already read and enjoyed your #41.

And it ain't a Baptist Convention without the egg salad and the potluck.

Did you know the Last Supper was something of a potluck?

44 posted on 07/04/2002 1:52:17 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"For there is no power but of God; the powers that be are ordained of God."

This doesn't give any indication that good powers are of God, but bad powers aren't. All powers, good or bad.

Again, look at the context. You seem to know womething about the Bible, so tell me where the verse and chapter divisions are in the 'originals'. Going from chapters 10 through 15 the context is NOT about secular or civil systems, but those of believers, iow, the church.

To say that all powers, including Hitler and Stalin, are of God is absurd. To say that all ministers (governing authorities in the Body) are of God makes perfect sense.

45 posted on 07/04/2002 1:52:30 PM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Ahban
I have always thought that when the people are corrupt, Christians should continue to submit to even a bad government- because you cannot impose righteous government on an unrighteous people- they don't want it. When corrupt leaders are over a people who are more righteous than they, God is more likely to authorize a Jehu-type to clean house.

Agree totally.

46 posted on 07/04/2002 1:53:57 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Your posts are compellingly informative and well-reasoned, even if a little triumphal.

Oliver Cromwell bump! ;^)

(THE precursor of the American Revolution, imo).

47 posted on 07/04/2002 1:54:27 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
Your posts are compellingly informative and well-reasoned, even if a little triumphal.

A "little" triumphal.... lol.... I'm afraid that's putting it kindly. ;-)

Oh well, we all have our stylistic foibles.

48 posted on 07/04/2002 1:59:39 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: George W. Bush
Wonderful stuff - and the only way we know the "faithful contendings" we ought to get involved in is through the perfect work of the Holy Spirit!
49 posted on 07/04/2002 2:06:23 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: gcruse
Very interesting post. I think most American Christians embrace one extreme ("quietism") or the other (Christian utopianism). Too many Christians are wrapped up in a detrimental belief that the "spiritual" is all that matters, and that most events and actions on earth are not "spiritual." Many others believe that there is a political solution to sin. Both are horribly wrong.

Chesterton: "The reformer is always right about what is wrong. He is generally wrong about what is right."

50 posted on 07/04/2002 2:11:43 PM PDT by agrandis
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
only the bravest and most Biblical Christians risk ministering in Communist countries. But once the day of freedom comes, the 5-star, jet-setting, hyper, turbo boosted evangelists pour in.

This is SOOOOOOOOOO true. You don't see many Benny Hinn trips to Haiti, but I'll guarantee you there are a bunch of those fundamentalists the press loves to make fun of out there running clinics, drilling water wells and starting schools. Real faith is required to be in those places. BTW, if the name it, claim it, and frame it guys are right, Paul really got a raw deal: "For I will show him how he must suffer for my name"

Hang in there. Brilliant post.

51 posted on 07/04/2002 2:14:27 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: George W. Bush
Interesting program, "Bible Thumper" as well as a thumbs up for not caring what people think! (After all, isn't "Bible Thumper" supposed to be an insult in today's society?)

You must have a hi-powered Palm device, my poor little Palm III doesn't have enough room for a program of this complexity. I do have "My Bible" on my Palm, and even though it doesn't have all the tools of "Bible Thumper", it works for me. I especially like the search feature, as it allows me to have a concordance with me at all times.

You might be a little disappointed to hear that I ordered the optional NASB for my Palm, even though the KJV was included at no extra cost. I still use the NASB for most of my Bible study, a habit that I developed many years ago. However, as you have noticed, I always use KJV when quoting Scripture on FR, and also include the KJV in my weekly church bulletins. I wouldn't dare getting into the pulpit without knowing what the KJV has to say about the passage I am expositing, as well as knowing the reason for any (rarely any) difference between it and the NASB.

52 posted on 07/04/2002 2:20:51 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I prefer real history rather than fabulous tales. This site addresses actual facts about the Papacy.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS 4.HTM
53 posted on 07/04/2002 3:01:28 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I prefer real history rather than fabulous tales. This site addresses actual facts about the Papacy.

http://ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS 4.HTM
54 posted on 07/04/2002 3:02:54 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Jerry_M
Interesting program, "Bible Thumper" as well as a thumbs up for not caring what people think! (After all, isn't "Bible Thumper" supposed to be an insult in today's society?)

It's $25 and worth it. BibleThumper is made here in Nebraska so I can even be a nativist about it... Check out the Online Demo. It brings up a Java-powered Palm IIIc simulator and shows you how the progam works. Once you buy the program (the basic KJV Bible), you can install as many or as few of the extras as you like.

Man, am I hooked on this little thing. I've never used Bible study programs or commentaries or ebooks much on my computer but this PDA has really changed that.

You must have a hi-powered Palm device, my poor little Palm III doesn't have enough room for a program of this complexity. I do have "My Bible" on my Palm, and even though it doesn't have all the tools of "Bible Thumper", it works for me. I especially like the search feature, as it allows me to have a concordance with me at all times.

I've got a 16M Handspring Visor Pro, 33mHz Dragonball 68K processor and added a MemPlug CF expander to it and a 256M Sandisk flash cartidge (which I can also use on most any digital camera). I've got all that stuff I listed and a version of Word and Excel and tons of other stuff and it's still not half-full!!!!! The only drawback is that the external memory card isn't quite as fast as main memory but that generally means a slow launch of the program and then it runs at virtually full speed after that.

The good part is that these devices are getting cheaper and cheaper. An expanded one like mine will be less than $200 in a year or so (I paid $230 for my basic Visor Pro 16M a few months ago and it's already down to $200). I know of a sound Reformed Southern Baptist preacher in Florida who's writing a book on his (I suspect a Puritan biography). I just had to laugh when he used the phrase "Calvinistic Baptists, gun-toting, PDA-using!" in an email. I bet that sounds a little familiar to you. You'd like this guy and his church, I think. He's in sales in his day job and has the Mapopolis maps for his 10 county area in his Visor Prism w/128Mbytes.

You might be a little disappointed to hear that I ordered the optional NASB for my Palm, even though the KJV was included at no extra cost. I still use the NASB for most of my Bible study, a habit that I developed many years ago. However, as you have noticed, I always use KJV when quoting Scripture on FR, and also include the KJV in my weekly church bulletins. I wouldn't dare getting into the pulpit without knowing what the KJV has to say about the passage I am expositing, as well as knowing the reason for any (rarely any) difference between it and the NASB.

Actually, NASB is my #2. I only fault a few passages in it and I think the chances of fatal doctrine arising from NASB readings to be vanishingly small. And NASB is in some places easier to understand, in the Old Testament especially. If I could get the author to include it, I'd like to have NASB in my BibleThumper for reference. Naturally, I could not welcome the NIV, Living Bible, Good News Bible, etc.
55 posted on 07/04/2002 3:15:38 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
You picked the wrong battlefield for this fight. I have William A Jurgens "The Faith of the Early Fathers" in my home library.
I will NOT engage in a point by point refutation of your falsehoods. I will merely cite your first error re Clement. In his "Who is the rich man that is saved?", a.d. 190/210, St. Clement of Alexandria says this about Peter..."On hearing these words, the blessed Peter, the chosen, the pre-eminnent, the first among he disciples, for whom alone with Himself the Savior paid the tribute, quickly grasped their meaning..."
Cribbing from second hand sources to attack Divinely-constituted authority might seem "Triumphalistic" to some but it is a truimphalism of a very odd sort.
I will not waste my time "debating" such rudimentary facts. Lets those with eyes to see read. The writings of the Catholic Church Fathers are availaable at www.newadvent.com
56 posted on 07/04/2002 3:23:33 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Catholic Church Fathers link


http://www.newadvent.org/fathe rs/
57 posted on 07/04/2002 3:27:40 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: George W. Bush
In order to fit "My Bible" as well as all the stuff I need for work on my Palm III I need to utilize FlashPro in order to give me another ~696k. That brings me up to a "whopping" 2.6 meg. machine.

I have just purchased a Palm IIIx with keyboard at an online auction, and this will give me (with FlashPro) 4.6 meg. Then the Palm III will become a work machine, left in the office to do time tracking and schedule appointments, and the IIIx will become a "Jerry" machine with my Bible, some good reformed docs, and some ham radio software.
58 posted on 07/04/2002 3:32:37 PM PDT by Jerry_M
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To: Catholicguy
St. Ireneaus link stating Catholic Church is where the truth is found. My last link. I could multiply SCORES of links proving the truth but some prefer their own ideas over objective truth rendering "debate" nugatory.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathe rs/0103304.htm
59 posted on 07/04/2002 3:40:57 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
"Peter alone do I find--through (the mention of) his "mother-in-law",--to have been married. Monogamist I am led to presume him by consideration of the Church, which, built upon him, was destined to appoint every grade of her Order from monogamists".

LOL Sorry, couldn't resist Tertullian's 213 a.d. witness (Monogamy) that the Catholic Church was built upon Peter...I promise no more:) It is all there for those that care about the truth
60 posted on 07/04/2002 3:54:17 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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