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IMF warns over dollar collapse
BBC News ^ | Friday, 5 July, 2002, 10:04 GMT 11:04 UK

Posted on 7/6/2002, 6:26:02 AM by HAL9000

The head of the International Monetary Fund, Horst Koehler, has warned that central banks worldwide might need to work together to prop up the US dollar.

In an interview in the Financial Times newspaper, Mr Koehler said that "no intervention at all is not the right answer" should the dollar continue to decline in a "disorderly fashion".

The dollar has fallen by around 10% in the last few months, nearly reaching parity with the euro.

But the US administration is opposed to intervention in currency markets.

In September 2000, during the presidential term of Bill Clinton, the US Treasury did agree to joint action to boost the value of the euro, which had reached a record low of around $0.84.

Alan Greenspan, the influential head of the Federal Reserve, the US central bank, is expected to give his view on the dollar's weakness when he testifies to Congress on 16 July.

Danger of meltdown

The global fall in stock markets amid uncertainty over the strength of the US economic recovery has led to further doubts about the strength of the dollar.

The US is also facing the largest trade deficit in its history.

A weak dollar would hurt exporters in Europe and the Far East by making their goods more expensive in the US, while in turn increasing inflationary pressures there.

Mr Koehler said that there was a danger that financial markets could "exaggerate problems so that they become a self-fulfilling prophecy".

But he admitted that there was a one-in-five chance of a global financial meltdown.

That could happen if a further stock market collapse in developed nations happened at the same time as debt defaults by developing countries such as Brazil and Turkey - both receiving IMF help at the moment.

And he warned that the financial excesses of the past had created problems for governments and international institutions.

"We can't have a world where excessive profits are reaped, and then, all of a sudden, the IMF and governments have to repair the damage," Mr Koehler said.

Admitting mistakes

Mr Koehler has admitted that in the past the IMF - which provides short-term financial help to countries in trouble - had not paid enough attention to building a social security safety net for the poor.

The IMF has come under withering criticism - especially from the former chief economist of the World Bank, Joseph Stiglitz - for enforcing financial orthodoxy and deflationary policies on countries affected by the Asian crisis.

Mr Stiglitz has also criticised former IMF officials, such as former deputy director Stanley Fischer, for accepting jobs with large commercial banks after they retired from the fund.

In return, IMF chief economist Kenneth Rogoff said that Mr Stiglitz, who won this year's Nobel Prize in Economics, was "a towering genius as an academic... as a policymaker, however, you were just a little bit less impressive".



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dollar; euro; imf
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1 posted on 7/6/2002, 6:26:02 AM by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
The US is also facing the largest trade deficit in its history.

I wonder what could have caused that? Could it be "Free Trade", not to mention a fiat currency system under the federal reserve?

2 posted on 7/6/2002, 6:30:57 AM by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Speaking as a guy who makes his living by trading (not in stocks, thank you), and w/o ANY politico-economic agenda except rooting for prosperity -- if EVERYBODY wins, I win, too, by default -- what you posted was a crock.

First, ALL currencies are fiat currencies now, even the historically redoubtable Swiss Franc, which no longer even has a nominal gold backing. The obvious question must be asked: why is a fiat currency to the US' disadvantage, comparatively? The answer: it isn't, comparatively.

Second, the trade 'deficit' has exactly nothing to do with the currency per se, but has everything to do with the relative price level of the currency and the international flow of investment funds. The trade 'deficit' exists, and will continue to exist for an indefinite period, for several reasons, and the list below is NOT complete.

1) The US tax code makes manufacturing works comparatively uncompetitive IN the US (hold labour costs constant across nations, and it STILL would be madness to make most consumer goods here). The only comparative advantage the US has is the LOWER (go ahead and laugh) level of regulation, compared to the state socialiss in Wonderland, and which it is busily throwing away.

2) Even adjusted, labour costs in the US are disproportionately high. This same phenomenon occurred in the Roman Empire in the first century A.D., and contributed to its ultimate fall 3 centuries later (and to its rot during the intervening centuries, although there were surely other contributing factors).

3) Everybody eats, and there is no surer way for a gov't to get tossed out on its butt (dictators excepted) than for the price of food to rise sharply, even in America. Hence, gov'ts bend efforts to keeping the price of food artificially low, whether by being purchasor of last resort (the old CCC in the 1950s and 1960s), a lesson last learned by the criminal Nixon and his successor, the idiot Ford, or by direct subsidy, which is the current popular mode in the US, Wonderland, and Japan,

4) The US has used all manner of trade subsidies, not just in foodstuffs, but puts itself always at a 'subsidy disadvantage' compared to the Japs and the Eurotrash, by at least **attempting** to hold to the (thoroughly stupid and unbalanced) rules of GATT.

5) The US permits, through the wonderfully laughable fiction of 'Generally Accepted Accounting Standards', companies to play ANY sort of accounting games they like, without penalty...or rather, without penalty UNTIL they get caught out by economic reality. When nothing goes wrong, this fiction entices capital into US markets, strengthening the dollar, but when the fit hits the shan, capital similarly exits, as now.

FREE trade works wonders when practiced. This occurs for about 5-10 years per century, over the last three centuries (I'm being a little generous here). 'Fair' trade, as 'practiced' worldwide, is nothing other than old-fashioned 17th- and 18th-century mercantilism, and of course the great error of modern-day Japan.

3 posted on 7/6/2002, 8:18:53 AM by SAJ
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To: HAL9000
The dollar has fallen by around 10% in the last few months, nearly reaching parity with the euro.

Well, actually the dollar has leveled off against the euro over the last 8 days and is beginning to rise at a slow pace:


The dollar against the euro over the last 5 days

Last Trade 6:34am · 1.028912

4 posted on 7/6/2002, 11:12:57 AM by demlosers
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To: SAJ; FreedomFriend; HAL9000
Interesting summary, SAJ. In fairness to FreedomFriend, wouldn't you at least agree that the Reserve system warehouses real wealth (labor) and elevates it up the food chain without paying for it, regardless if it's only one bean at a time?
5 posted on 7/6/2002, 3:33:34 PM by Eastbound
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To: SAJ
Freedomfriend suggested that the US trade deficit might be explained by "the fiat currency system" among other things. You characterized this post as "a crock" and then proceeded to pontificate, intellectually, with inane drivel reaching back, at times, to your "analysis" of conditions in ancient Rome.

Clearly, the U.S. trade deficit is impossible under a gold standard. In that sense, the fiat currency standard (as currently constituted) is, indeed, responsible.

6 posted on 7/6/2002, 3:34:49 PM by Deuce
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To: Eastbound
Bump!

That's a 'Roger' on those NGO's and dead dogs! :-)

7 posted on 7/6/2002, 5:12:51 PM by Eastbound
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To: FreedomFriend
Uh oh. We're the IMF and we're here to help!?

Like they helped Argentina, Indonesia and all those other countries whose currencies collapsed?

Be very afraid.
8 posted on 7/6/2002, 5:18:31 PM by hedgetrimmer
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To: FreedomFriend
The US is also facing the largest trade deficit in its history.

I wonder what could have caused that? Could it be "Free Trade", not to mention a fiat currency system under the federal reserve?

Globalisation

9 posted on 7/6/2002, 5:44:48 PM by PatriotReporter
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To: Deuce
Nice try, but won't fly.

To return to a gold standard, or, ftm, any 'hard' standard, is thoroughly impossible. If the US were to try it by itself, the instant result would be a ruinous deflation. You might enjoy reading Peter Bernstein's The Power of Gold on this and related topics.

Nor will any group of nations attempt such a return; the political class have learned long since that fiat currency is an enormous lever of power, allowing them to bribe citizens with their own 'money'...until an inevitable collapse (which, they hope, they won't be around to witness). To consider that any significant fraction of this class would voluntarily yield such power is delusional. Speculating about a return to a gold standard is amusing, but no more possible in the real world, given the nature of the political class, than walking barefooted up Niagara Falls.

The notion that fiat currency, used by all nations, is responsible for the American 'trade deficit' is self-contradictory, for by this argument, ALL nations would have a 'trade deficit', clearly an impossibility. Or, in other words, a crock.

The fact of the matter is that if you can buy item X for $10 or for $15, you will invariably choose to pay $10, assuming you in fact have the choice. The costs of production and distribution then become the controlling factors in determining who will buy what from whom. Wealthier nations uniformly develop higher labour costs over time, hence when production of a good is labour-intensive, manufacture of that good will tend, again over time, to move to locations with lower labour costs.

Goods with high scarcity value, e.g. emeralds, chromium, are exempt from this constraint. The only other goods which are partially exempt are high-utility and/or high-value-added items, software for example, although as many kinds of software become increasingly commoditized, this too will change. It's changing as we speak, in fact; consider the exportation of contract programming to India, and, not too far in the future, to China. Why? Same reason, labour costs.

10 posted on 7/6/2002, 7:16:01 PM by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I appreciate your insight - thanks. JL

bttt

Happy Birthday Mr.President!

Don't miss this one.

11 posted on 7/6/2002, 7:18:34 PM by lodwick
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To: Eastbound
I'm not sure I follow your argument. Could you please clarify? Particularly the part about labour being 'real' wealth.

Thanks!

12 posted on 7/6/2002, 7:19:19 PM by SAJ
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To: SAJ
I appreciate your insight. For years I wondered how practical it would be to go back to a gold standard.

On another note, I am in the process of selling one of my software products to a company in the UK. I hope the dollar doesn't recover too fast! ;-)
13 posted on 7/6/2002, 7:33:09 PM by AsYouAre
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To: SAJ
"I'm not sure I follow your argument. Could you please clarify? Particularly the part about labour being 'real' wealth."

Labor is what gets the gold out of the ground, which can be traded for other products requiring labor. So when we put our excess gold in the warehouse for safekeeping, we are putting our our excess wealth in trust in return for warehouse receipts which serve as legal tender.

Gold in the warehouse represents real wealth, because it's already paid for (earned) and can be used to pay for commodities and products - in full.

Gold doesn't shrink, rust, swell up or lose its intrinsic value and serves as a standard for the medium of exchange, so long as the world continues to agree and support the premise that gold is suitable for that purpose. The world could have just as easily used something else so long as there was agreement and the standard remained stable both geographically and intrinsically..

My premise is that the Reserve system eventually sucked all the real wealth out of the economy, replacing it with debt, wherein everything purchased is purchased with an I.O.U., (Reserve notes) as there is no real wealth (gold, representing labor already performed) left in the warehouses.

The long-term consequence of the reserve system, means that all labor performed today is paying for the debts and purchases of the previous generation, and the expenses we incur today while doing that, will be paid for by the next generation -- and the next generation.

Pretend for a moment that currency is backed by rice. I put a cup of rice in the warehouse and receive my warehouse receipt. The warehouse cooks my cup of rice, yielding four cups of cooked rice. Then it lends it out, saying it has the same value as my original cup of rice in the market place. I return to the warehouse and hand over my receipt and demand my cup of rice back. But they give me a cup of cooked rice. Three fourths of my labor is stolen. The transfer of wealth up the food chain, a bean at a time, or a few grains of rice at a time. That, Sir, is what the Reserve system is and does. It creates rice out of thin air -- as much as it needs to loan out, becoming the lien-holder on future real wealth or current net assets and resources of not only businesses and indivuduals, but on entire nations. To be sure, fiat currency is code for a 'fiatricidal' economy.

14 posted on 7/7/2002, 1:48:05 AM by Eastbound
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To: PatriotReporter
Yes, I agree. Globalization and "Free Trade" go hand in hand. However, it was the fiat money/Federal Reserve system that allowed it to get so out of hand. If it weren't for that, more companies would be located in America, more products would be made here, and inflation would be kept at bay. However, as it is, our politicians are too scared to take drastic measures such as bringing back the gold and silver standard. However, I'm sure that many don't want to. They're all into their globalization, "Free Trade", personal money, etc. to care.
15 posted on 7/7/2002, 2:12:24 AM by FreedomFriend
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To: Eastbound; 2sheep
Its going to amaze historians that the US was a superpower,that it was bankrupt as at 1938 after giving away the right to make its own money in 1913 yet still ostensively had 100 or whatever years as top dog...amazing a $100.00 bill is worth 3 cents its printing cost,thats what the Reserve buys it off the Mint for,the cost of printing plus a small markup,-but it gets full face value plus interest in return,via a Bond which is basically a promise by the Government it can tax the living hell out of us to pay the Fed back....and you thought Enron and World com was a scam.
16 posted on 7/7/2002, 2:23:12 AM by Crazymonarch
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To: Crazymonarch; Uncle Bill; OKCSubmariner; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; ...
>But he admitted that there was a one-in-five chance of a global financial meltdown.

The IMF is much too optimistic, as info on Uncle Bill's links would suggest that the chance of global financial meltdown is five-in-five.

18 posted on 7/7/2002, 3:15:51 AM by 2sheep
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To: SAJ
nice post, a lot of reasonable points; but japanese mercantilism didn't cause their problems. That was caused by the fact that their large banks did not operate with a commercial mindset and fed that real estate bubble to outrageous proportions.

'Free' trade or 'Fair' Trade, they're just slogans. The US in the late 80's and early 90's negotiated trade arrangements with China that were not in our interest. We taxed their imports to america at 3% while they taxed our exports to china at 35%. On top of that we put no restrictions on what they could sell us and they restricted severely what american business could sell in China. The free traders are proud of this agreement. It is not free and not fair either. Of course with the new situation of China being in WTO the tariffs and restrictions are more equal, but still not equal.

So to me, an ideological committment to 'Free' trade is ridiculous because it doesn't exist. No negotiation we engage in can realistically put a stop to trade barriers, the agreement may say that trade barriers are done away with, but those are only words. We simply don't control other nations, if they wish to impose barriers and through some sleight of hand prevent american products from being sold, then they will regardless of any agreement we pretend that we have with them.

Free trade is just an ideology, it is not a real thing. But if we do believe in this ideology, then we shouldn't be even talking about intervening into the financial markets to prop up the dollar. American manufacturers have been hurt very badly by the policies we've had in the last 15 years. They would benefit greatly for the dollar to decline dramatically compared to other currencies. This would help their position in the american market as well as in the foreign markets. If you really believe in free trade, then why don't you speak against this?

19 posted on 7/7/2002, 3:47:22 AM by Red Jones
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To: HAL9000
I personally would like to see a the decline of the dollar continue a while longer. I think that manufacturers in america would benefit. I also think that it would benefit jobs and wages in america for this to happen. The government should not intervene. Our stock market has declined because it was much over-valued. Investors are losing confidence because our business class seems to be populated by liars. By intervening our government will prop up some people's portfolios dishonestly. It will also harm businesses that have decided that they will produce in america rather than export to america. Obviously, these types of people don't interest the establishment, they're too sophistocated. They tell us that when China exports 8 times to the US that we export to china that we can't even impose the same tariffs on chinese products that they put on our products because of 'free trade', but at the same time the same group routinely intervenes into the financial markets to prop up the dollar which is only responding to market forces.
20 posted on 7/7/2002, 4:00:58 AM by Red Jones
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