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  • PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

    08/02/2003 11:13:31 PM PDT · 9 of 940
    Uncle Bill to LiteKeeper
    Hello sir. God bless.

    Hearing on The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (HR 1833)

    Statement of Brenda Pratt Shafer, R.N.
    Registered Nurse

    Before the Subcommittee on the Constitution
    Committee on the Judiciary
    U.S. House of Representatives

    March 21, 1996

    Mr. Chairman and honorable members of the Judiciary Committee, I am Brenda Pratt Shafer. I am here before you, at the request of the Committee, to relate to you my experience as an eyewitness to what is now known as the partial-birth abortion procedure.

    I am a registered nurse, licensed in the State of Ohio, with 14 years of experience. In 1993, I was employed by Kimberly Quality Care, a nursing agency in Dayton, Ohio. In September, 1993, Kimberly Quality Care asked me to accept assignment at the Women's Medical Center, which is operated by Dr. Martin Haskell. I readily accepted the assignment because I was at that time very pro-choice. I had even told my teenage daughters that if one of them ever got pregnant at a young age, I would make them get an abortion. They disagreed with me on this, and one of them even wrote an essay for a high school class that mentioned how we differed on the issue.

    So, because of the strong pro-choice views that I held at that time, I thought this assignment would be no problem for me.

    But I was wrong. I stood at a doctor's side as he performed the partial-birth abortion procedure-- and what I saw is branded forever on my mind.

    I worked as an assistant nurse at Dr. Haskell's clinic for three days-- September 28, 29, and 30, 1993.

    On the first day, we assisted in some first-trimester abortions, which is all I'd expected to be involved in. (I remember that one of the patients was a 15-year-old-girl who was having her third abortion.)

    On the second day, I saw Dr. Haskell do a second-trimester procedure that is called a D & E (dilation and evacuation). He used ultrasound to examine the fetus. Then he used forceps to pull apart the baby inside the uterus, bringing it out piece by piece and piece, throwing the pieces in a pan.

    Also on the first two days, we inserted laminaria to dilate the cervixes of women who were being prepared for the partial-birth abortions-- those who were past the 20 weeks point, or 4 1\2 months. (Dr. Haskell called this procedure "D & X", for dilation and extraction.) There were six or seven of these women.

    On the third day, Dr. Haskell asked me to observe as he performed several of the procedures that are the subject of this hearing. Although I was in that clinic on assignment of the agency, Dr. Haskell was interested in hiring me full time, and I was being given orientation in the entire range of procedures provided at that facility.

    I was present for three of these partial-birth procedures. It is the first one that I will describe to you in detail.

    The mother was six months pregnant (26 1/2 weeks). A doctor told her that the baby had Down Syndrome and she decided to have an abortion. She came in the first two days to have the laminaria inserted and changed, and she cried the whole time. On the third day she came in to receive the partial-birth procedure.

    Dr. Haskell brought the ultrasound in and hooked it up so that he could see the baby. On the ultrasound screen, I could see the heart beating. As Dr. Haskell watched the baby on the ultrasound screen, the baby's heartbeat was clearly visible on the ultrasound screen.

    Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal. Then he delivered the baby's body and the arms-- everything but the head. The doctor kept the baby's head just inside the uterus.

    The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors through the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out in a flinch, a startle reaction, like a baby does when he thinks that he might fall.

    The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby was completely limp. I was really completely unprepared for what I was seeing. I almost threw up as I watched the doctor do these things.

    Mr. Chairman, I read in the paper that President Clinton says that he is going to veto this bill. If President Clinton had been standing where I was standing at that moment, he would not veto this bill.

    Dr. Haskell delivered the baby's head. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw that baby in a pan, along with the placenta and the instruments he'd used. I saw the baby move in the pan. I asked another nurse and she said it was just "reflexes."

    I have been a nurse for a long time and I have seen a lot of death-- people maimed in auto accidents, gunshot wounds, you name it. I have seen surgical procedures of every sort. But in all my professional years, I had never witnessed anything like this.

    The woman wanted to see her baby, so they cleaned up the baby and put it in a blanket and handed the baby to her. She cried the whole time, and she kept saying, "I'm so sorry, please forgive me!" I was crying too. I couldn't take it. That baby boy had the most perfect angelic face I have ever seen.

    I was present in the room during two more such procedures that day, but I was really in shock. I tried to pretend that I was somewhere else, to not think about what was happening. I just couldn't wait to get out of there. After I left that day, I never went back. These last two procedures, by the way, involved healthy mothers with healthy babies.

    I was very much affected by what I had seen. For a long time, sometimes still, I had nightmares about what I saw in that clinic that day.

    That's why, last July, I wrote a letter to Congressman Tony Hall of Dayton, in support of the bill, telling what I had seen. And that led to me being asked to tell others what I'd seen, just as I am doing here today.

    Mr. Chairman, since I wrote that letter to Congressman Tony Hall, I have been subjected to some strange attacks on my credibility, and I would like to address these briefly.

    Last July 12, I sat in the audience as the full Judiciary Committee debated this legislation, and I heard Congresswoman Schroeder read a letter from Dr. Haskell to the Judiciary Committee (also dated July 12) in which he said, "I have examined our records and found no evidence of a Brenda Shafer working for us during 1993."

    Fortunately, I had previously provided the Constitution Subcommittee with the pertinent payroll records from Kimberly Quality Care, including their invoice to Dr. Haskell's clinic. After these documents were circulated, Congresswoman Schroeder withdrew that particular allegation, explaining it away as resulting from confusion over my married name. But it seemed peculiar to me at the time that neither she nor her staff had contacted me, or the subcommittee staff to request documentation, before she basically called me a liar in front of everybody. But there was much more of that sort of thing to come.

    In his July 12 letter, Dr. Haskell said also said that my account was "inaccurate," because "she describes procedures at 26 1/2 weeks and 25 weeks... This is contrary to my own self-imposed and established limit of 24 weeks." But in recent times I've seen an article published in American Medical News for July 5, 1993-- just a few months before I worked for him-- in which Dr. Haskell said that he performs the procedure "up until about 25 weeks," which conflicts with his letter to the Judiciary Committee.

    Also, in Dr. Haskell's 1992 paper describing the partial-birth procedure, "Dilation and Extraction for Late Second Trimester Abortion," which you have all seen, he wrote,

    "This author routinely performs this procedure on all patients 20 through 24 weeks LMP [i.e., from last menstrual period] with certain exceptions. The author performs the procedure on selected patients 25 through 26 weeks LMP." Keep in mind that this 26 1/2 week little boy had Down syndrome, so this was a "selected patients" case.

    Later, I learned another letter had been produced by Dr. Haskell's operation, dated July 17, this one signed by Christie Gallivan, a nurse. This letter was cited by opponents of the bill before and during the House and Senate floor debates, and was even entered into the Congressional Record by Senator Barbara Boxer.

    In this letter, Christie Gallivan acknowledged that I had worked at the clinic for three days, but went on to claim that since I was a temporary nurse, I "would not have been present" at such a procedure-- or, then again, in the alternative, that if I did see such a procedure, then my memory must be faulty, or else that I must be deliberately "misrepresenting" what I saw.

    Well, as I've said from the beginning, although I was assigned by a temporary agency, Dr. Haskell needed another surgical nurse-- I was told that he was having a hard time keeping them-- and he seemed to be interested in hiring me on a permanent basis. He wanted me to observe the procedure. Christie Gallivan was the surgical nurse and she spent those three days giving me an "orientation," as it says on the Kimberly Quality Care invoice. But what is striking to me is how blatantly inconsistent Nurse Gallivan's letter is, not only with what I saw, but with what Dr. Haskell himself has written and said elsewhere.

    Christie Gallivan wrote, "Dr. Haskell does not use ultrasound in the performance of second-trimester procedures." Then she went on, regarding my account, "Therefore, her entire description of her experience with viewing the second-trimester abortion, which includes Dr. Haskell using the ultrasound while doing this procedure, is clearly questionable."

    Yet, in Dr. Haskell's paper explaining how he performs the procedure, he clearly states that the surgical assistant "places an ultrasound probe on the patient's abdomen and scans the fetus, locating the lower extremities." And a little further on, referring to the forceps, he wrote, "When the instrument appears on the sonogram screen, the surgeon is able to open and close its jaws to firmly and reliably grasp a lower extremity."

    So when Christie Gallivan writes that I could not have seen a baby moving, you can evaluate-that statement in the light of her other statements on these points on which there is such a clear written record. And you should notice that she never tries to explain, in this letter, why anyone should believe that these babies supposedly don't move. I've been given a copy of a transcript of the tape-recorded interview with Dr. Haskell conducted by the American Medical News in June, 1993-- only three months before my time at his clinic-- in which he explicitly acknowledged that most of these babies are alive when he pulls them out.

    On November 17, I testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Kennedy asked me why it had been reported, in a nursing newsletter, that I was employed by the National Right to Life Committee. As replied, and I tell you know, I've never been a member of, or a donor to that organization, and certainly in no sense an employee.

    Certainly, since last summer I have cooperated with National Right to Life in their efforts to make my experience more widely known, because I think it's important that people know the truth about this matter. But National Right to Life has not paid me for anything, and nobody else has paid me for anything in connection with this subject either, beyond reimbursing travel and accommodation expenses. By the way, the editor of the nursing newsletter subsequently retracted the erroneous claim.

    Most recently, I got a copy of a letter sent to a constituent by Congresswoman Lynn Rivers of Michigan, written in longhand, in which this distinguished member of Congress claimed that I "was unwilling to testify under oath or submit herself to cross examination in front of Congress-- even though she was sitting in the hearing room while testimony was being taken."

    Of course, Mr. Chairman, that is all pure fiction. By the time I heard of your bill and wrote my letter to Congressman Hall, on July 9, you had already concluded the hearing on your legislation. I was present for the July 12 markup, and spoke with various members of the committee and the press informally, but of course there was no opportunity for me to formally testify on that occasion, although I certainly would have welcomed the opportunity.

    In November, when Senator Hatch invited me to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee, I accepted immediately and without qualification. During the question period, Senator Kyl asked me if I would be willing to testify to these things under oath and I replied, "Yes, sir, I would. Or under a lie detector or anything else I need to do." [Senate hearing record, p. 63] And I tell you the same thing.

    Mr. Chairman, thank you for indulging me in unburdening myself on these points. It is been frustrating to hear, and hear of, these attacks on my truthfulness, and not be able to respond.

    It is still amazing to me that certain individuals who hold high elective offices, offices for which I hold great respect, have been so willing to publicly spread this kind of blatant misinformation about me, without making the slightest effort to investigate or look at any of the documentation.

    Mr. Chairman, these people who say I didn't see what I saw-- I wish they were right. I wish I hadn't seen it. But I did see it, and I will never be able to forget it. That baby boy was only inches, seconds away from being entirely born, when he was killed. What I saw done to that little boy, and to those other babies, should not be allowed in this country.

    Thank you.
    [End Of Transcript]

  • PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

    08/02/2003 10:56:46 PM PDT · 7 of 940
    Uncle Bill to boycott
    "Neither party is worth a damn. I have no further loyalty to either party."

    Me either. Screw 'em. I'm sick of the betrayals.

  • PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

    08/02/2003 10:53:32 PM PDT · 6 of 940
    Uncle Bill to Lijahsbubbe
    "Obviously, if you can deliver the baby to kill it, you can deliver the baby!"

    Exactly. Whatever happened to for the children when it really counts?

  • PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

    08/02/2003 10:39:41 PM PDT · 1 of 940
    Uncle Bill
  • Bush kicks off Muslim strategy for reelection

    07/29/2003 12:22:50 PM PDT · 13 of 92
    Uncle Bill to truthandlife
    "Does everyone still think Rove is a genius?"

    Yes, for losing.

  • The GOP's New Deal: Big tent, big government, big mistake

    07/29/2003 12:21:02 PM PDT · 17 of 77
    Uncle Bill to Sir Gawain
    Bush is toast.
  • HOW GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS THREATEN AMERICA

    07/29/2003 11:09:45 AM PDT · 23 of 24
    Uncle Bill to Tailgunner Joe
  • HOW GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS THREATEN AMERICA

    07/28/2003 11:48:15 PM PDT · 21 of 24
    Uncle Bill to JPJones
    "which means it probably will take a long time to undo. Patience. The best bet for now is FR, allied with the repubs."

    Yeah, you bet, I know what you mean. Seriously, what are you talking about? Where do you people come from? I've posted articles from just about every so-called conservative publication there is concerning this sell-out right here on FR. With Bush and the GOP spending and regulating like a socialist in heat it probably does mean it will take a long time to undo. By undo I assume you mean total collapse? You don't undo something when you're driving the train in the same direction over the cliff as the Democrats, only in the Republicans case, they're doing it faster, not a little slower as so many seem to believe in their fantasies.

  • HOW GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS THREATEN AMERICA

    07/28/2003 6:19:05 PM PDT · 15 of 24
    Uncle Bill to Tailgunner Joe
    Choking On Regulations - The Washington Times
    The system is such that no one electable is directly accountable. This is government run amok at its worst..."

    President Bush and Congress will eventually answer to taxpayers for the $2 trillion federal budget. ..."In "Ten Thousand Commandments: An Annual Snapshot of the Federal Regulatory State," analyst Clyde Wayne Crews finds regulatory spending takes up more than one-third of the entire federal budget -- a larger burden than the entire federal budget back in the 1960s. The Federal Register, where new rules are published daily, hit an all-time high of 75,606 pages this past year

    Regulations: Assault on Capitalism

    2002 Federal Register Is "Longest Ever" - Page Count of Regulations Grows Under GOP
    "The Bush administration, philosophically wedded to the idea of smaller government, issued a record-high number of pages of new federal regulations last year"


    Vote Bush. Incrementally reducing regulations by passing more regulations than any other in the history of the Republic. It's magic. It's strategy. Botonomics.

  • US buying bubble could burst the world economy

    07/28/2003 5:22:21 PM PDT · 44 of 51
    Uncle Bill to Willie Green; RLK
    Industry Leaders Warn Bush
    "If the administration does not act beginning in mid-2004, a new, enormous wave of plant closures and worker layoffs is certain to occur in the country’s major textile areas, such as the southeast, as orders for yarns, fabrics, home furnishing products and apparel are diverted to China,...China could gain control of approximately 70 percent of the U.S. market once quotas are removed,”

    U.S. Departing The First World

    Boeing can't act like British colonialists extracting wealth from other countries and exporting it all back home....the United States has no divine right to our standard of living,"
    Alan Mulally, president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes Group - Source

    SOURCE FOR BELOW: BUSH DECLARES NOTHING WRONG WITH ECONOMY

    George W. Bush Quotes:

    "Look around you," Bush implored his audience. "You've all got jobs. I've got a job. Dick Cheney has a job. I don't see what all the fuss is about."

    "I may not be an economist, but anyone can see that things look pretty good from here. Besides, we're at war."

    "And if there were problems with the economy, I'd be on it. Don't you think I would? The simple truth is that there are no problems. Not a one. Not an iota of problem."

    "And we're not going to be suckered into a rope-a-dope with this whole recession game by the Democrats. We've got a war to fight."

    "When have you ever heard me say there was a problem with the economy? When? Never. That's because there has been no problem since this administration took office.

    "Did I mention we're at war?"

    "Economies are about money," the President stated. "And I feel . . . I believe that money . . . I like money. And I like this country. Money is good and this country still has a lot of money."

    Ari Fleischer Quotes:

    "If the President declares that there is nothing wrong with the economy, then I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the economy."

    "To turn our attention away at this time from the threat posed by Iraq to focus on the U.S. economy would be un-American."

    "Obviously, our Republican mandate from the recent elections shows that the American people are more concerned with Homeland Security than whether their 401(k)s have gone down a few measly points. Get over it."

  • Justice fights to keep Clinton monument edicts intact

    07/28/2003 1:40:06 AM PDT · 5 of 8
    Uncle Bill to Jeff Head
  • Text of new Assault Weapons Ban introduced in Senate

    07/27/2003 8:14:08 PM PDT · 143 of 186
    Uncle Bill to Mulder
  • The Quisling Effect - Government is not the only destroyer of freedom

    07/27/2003 7:57:21 PM PDT · 3 of 41
    Uncle Bill to Sir Gawain
    Thanks. Claire bump.
  • Despicable Gray Davis will sign illegal alien license bill

    07/27/2003 3:31:06 PM PDT · 25 of 54
    Uncle Bill to Tancredo Fan
    CRITICS SLAM MEXICAN ID CARD
    "Lawmakers and immigration reform groups blasted the Bush administration Tuesday for quietly allowing Mexico to distribute thousands of identification cards to Mexican nationals to help them reap the benefits offered in the United States."

    ID's FOR ILLEGALS - The 'Matricula Consular' Advances Mexico's Immigration Agenda

    Show Bush The Door in 2004.

  • Despicable Gray Davis will sign illegal alien license bill

    07/27/2003 3:17:05 PM PDT · 22 of 54
    Uncle Bill to Tancredo Fan
    So would Bush.
  • Bush marks anniversary of disablities act (Barf Alert)

    07/27/2003 11:51:59 AM PDT · 159 of 201
    Uncle Bill to Satadru
    "The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."
    Thomas Jefferson

    "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions." James Madison, "Letter to Edmund Pendleton," -- James Madison, January 21, 1792, in The Papers of James Madison, vol. 14, Robert A Rutland et. al., ed (Charlottesvile: University Press of Virginia,1984).

    James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:

    "With respect to the two words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the "Articles of Confederation," and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted."

    In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia, James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." James Madison, 4 Annals of congress 179 (1794)

    "Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated."
    Thomas Jefferson

    "We must confine ourselves to the powers described in the Constitution, and the moment we pass it, we take an arbitrary stride towards a despotic Government."
    James Jackson, First Congress, 1st Annals of Congress, 489

    "We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."
    Thomas Paine

    RESOLVED: That the principle and construction contended for by sundry of the state legislatures, that the general government is the exclusive judge of the extent of the powers delegated to it, stop nothing short of despotism; since the discretion of those who administer the government, and not the constitution, would be the measure of their powers:

    "That the several states who formed that instrument, being sovereign and independent, have the unquestionable right to judge of its infraction; and that a nullification, by those sovereignties, of all unauthorized acts done under colour of that instrument, is the rightful remedy."
    Thomas Jefferson, 1799

    "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."
    James Madison, Federal No. 45, January 26, 1788

    "I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground that 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states or to the people.' To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power not longer susceptible of any definition."
    Thomas Jefferson, Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank, February 15, 1791

    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground."
    Thomas Jefferson, letter to E. Carrington, May 27, 1788

    "A wise and frugal government ... shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
    Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

    "An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others."
    James Madison, Federalist No. 58, February 20, 1788

    SOURCE


    Bushbots babble, but never refer to the text of the Constitution and quotes from our founding fathers. How come? Vote Bush, somebody has to facilitate the final collapse.

  • PRESIDENT BUSH SIGNS WETLANDS ACT

    07/25/2003 3:54:39 PM PDT · 470 of 470
    Uncle Bill to Fred Mertz
  • The Tenet Fiasco - Discussion Thread

    07/12/2003 4:32:17 PM PDT · 371 of 941
    Uncle Bill to PhiKapMom
    "Do you want Freepers to provide you comments for your next article so you can use to bash President Bush and/or CIA Director Tenet!"
    48 posted on 07/12/2003 1:24 PM PDT by PhiKapMom

    It's terrible.

    Past time for Tenet to resign IMHO! He is way over his head at the CIA it seems!
    5 posted on 10/16/2002 7:34 AM PDT by PhiKapMom
    Source

  • BUSH CALLS FOR FULL $15 BILLION FOR AIDS IN AFRICA

    07/12/2003 1:05:48 PM PDT · 35 of 66
    Uncle Bill to Joe Hadenuf
    "Lets give them 40 billion!"

    Maybe prescription drugs too! No, I know, how about a down payment on a hut:

    Who stated the following:

    "Government ought to have a policy that helps people with a downpayment."

    A. - OR - B.

    Answer

    You are not hallucinating, he really wants to have the government provide downpayments.

  • BUSH CALLS FOR FULL $15 BILLION FOR AIDS IN AFRICA

    07/12/2003 12:55:00 PM PDT · 33 of 66
    Uncle Bill to Senator Pardek
    "If it's about saving lives, why not push for DDT use in Africa? DDT will save more lives than any AIDS initiative, and it will be much cheaper."

    There's no concern for lives, DDT, or Aids. Just elephants.


    Bush as President:

    Bush Asks for $15 Billion to Fight AIDS in Africa
    I agree with you! Believe that Senator Bill Frist, M.D., who has gone to Africa and has seen how devastating this disease is to so many people that have gotten AIDs in Africa through no fault of their own. This epidemic could go around the world and strike more than the gay community.
    20 posted on 01/29/2003 8:10 AM PST by PhiKapMom(Bush/Cheney 2004)
    SOURCE


    Clinton as President:

    Clinton Wants $175 Million for AIDS Programs
    "Can someone tell me how putting more money into prevention is going to help? It is actually quite simple -- safe sex and don't share needles. Probably the most basic answer is "Just Say NO! If someone doesn't know that by now after all the warnings during the last ten years then they are a moron! Is this State of the Union going to be the big give-away? Every day I read about another give-away. Only when it comes to the Defense Department is it a take-away."
    2 Posted on 01/17/2000 19:44:57 PST by PhiKapMom
    SOURCE


    Vote Bush. There must be a reason why, somewhere.