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[Austin, TX] Church leaders accused in beating -- Boy in intensive care with kidney failure
The Houston Chronicle ^ | July 9, 2002 | Armando Villafranca

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:10:44 AM PDT by Illbay

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To: RGSpincich
They "surrendered".

Pity. "Suicide by cop" might have been swifter and less painful for these two than what they will surely be receiving from Bubba. He and his social circle really, really frown on people who have "anger management" issues involving innocent children.

161 posted on 07/09/2002 8:57:03 PM PDT by strela
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To: Poohbah
Give those guilty men a fair trial and hang 'em in the morning.

Where's Judge Roy Bean when you need him? He'd be the perfect judge for these two stains.

162 posted on 07/09/2002 9:02:10 PM PDT by Bandolier
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To: strela

Oh yeah Bubba gonna like these boys.

163 posted on 07/09/2002 9:07:49 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: strela
I actually got out of a switching once. I was 4, (mom tells this story a lot, still) and she sent me for a switch. I came back with an assortment of terrible things and said 'choose your weapon'. She let me off. It didn't work again.
164 posted on 07/09/2002 9:14:41 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: Illbay
For a prolonged and hard assault like what is being alleged, and a photo that recent one would expect to see the whole area denuded and spectacular stripes -- not these pock marks and bruises, which look more like he fell out of a tree on his back. I got banged up far worse than that once when I got knocked off a motorcycle -- black and blue spectacular -- and needed no morphine.

I hate child abuse with a passion, passion, passion!... but I also hate trumped up or worse, fabricated charges.
165 posted on 07/09/2002 9:14:51 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: My back yard
I came back with an assortment of terrible things and said 'choose your weapon'. She let me off. It didn't work again.

Hmmm ... never thought of using that one. I tried the "I Love You" gambit once, didn't work. I tried cute, defiant, scared-out-of-my-mind, and brave forebearance. I still got blistered (especially for the incident with the pocket knife and the brand-new leather sofa). Mom was VERY single-minded in that regard.

166 posted on 07/09/2002 9:19:35 PM PDT by strela
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To: strela
I tried cute, defiant, scared-out-of-my-mind, and brave forebearance.

But, I bet you never tried 'I am a victim of urban blight and a great cultural imbalance'?

167 posted on 07/09/2002 9:25:45 PM PDT by My back yard
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To: RGSpincich
This sounds awful, but in light of what we're finding out about all these wolves in sheep's clothing, I submit these people were just into sadism using children, plain and simple. They dressed it up in priestly robes, but it was just a fetish.

If so, I don't know if it makes it any worse, but it does make me shudder.

168 posted on 07/09/2002 9:43:49 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: RGSpincich
Pastor Thomspon is a father who's grief stricken and worried about his sons, his congregation, and his reputation.

Hello, um, Pastor? There is the matter of a young boy in intensive care. Hello?

169 posted on 07/09/2002 9:44:57 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: strela
Here's hoping they get a fair trial. Then hang the guilty so-and-sos.

If you aren't from Texas, you oughta git here soon's you can. You shore have the temper'ment fur it!

170 posted on 07/09/2002 9:45:58 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
If you aren't from Texas, you oughta git here soon's you can. You shore have the temper'ment fur it!

Born 'n raised in Ft. Worth.

171 posted on 07/09/2002 9:47:13 PM PDT by strela
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Read what the parishioners said. These people specialized in beatings of children where they didn't leave many marks.

THE KIDS SUFFERED RENAL FAILURE. Is that good enough for you?

172 posted on 07/09/2002 9:48:02 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: strela
Hey, I'm a transplant, myself, but I'm gittin' t'where I c'n spot 'em a mile off!
173 posted on 07/09/2002 9:49:25 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: My back yard
I bet you never tried 'I am a victim of urban blight and a great cultural imbalance'?

In the early '60s, in Texas? I'd have gotten an extra swat or two for being a smart-aleck ;)

174 posted on 07/09/2002 9:49:30 PM PDT by strela
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To: Illbay
I'm a transplant, myself, but I'm gittin' t'where I c'n spot 'em a mile off!

The oil derrick in everybody's back yard here is a dead giveaway. I wanted to mount a set of bullhorns on the front of my Neon, but the plastic wouldn't hold their weight.

Seriously, the last time I wore a pair of boots was in London in 1978. It may be heresy for a Texan to say this, but the damned things hurt my feet and I'll never wear another pair of roachkillers as long as I live.

175 posted on 07/09/2002 9:54:07 PM PDT by strela
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To: Illbay
Read what the parishioners said

Where? Not above

These people specialized in beatings of children where they didn't leave many marks

If true, that says something more like rubber hose, not tree branch. Or buffered by some very, very thick material. Something isn't quite adding up in this story, at least not yet.

THE KIDS SUFFERED RENAL FAILURE

KidS? As in a group? Where's the story about the others? Not saying it can't be true, just that I missed it. Where are the doctors' reports about trauma to the kidneys? Again not saying it can't be true, just that I missed it.

176 posted on 07/09/2002 11:11:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The "S" was a typo.

I'm sorry, but this isn't like spilling hot coffee on your own crack. This is ASSAULT AND BATTERY. This kid (singular) might possibly be permanently injured. He didn't do this to himself. Your failure to be impressed by a photograph doesn't alter the fact that he's been in intensive care for several days, and his KIDNEYS DON'T FUNCTION.

I fail to understand what you think you're trying to protect by downplaying those facts. If you want to say "maybe these guys didn't do it," that's fine. Thankfully we have courts of law to determine those things.

But please do NOT insult my intelligence by shrugging off this level of injury to a CHILD.

177 posted on 07/09/2002 11:42:09 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay

I agree, this is most disgusting. But isn't this where all of the abuse reports have been coming from? The "denominational world" vs. Christians?

Very sad.
178 posted on 07/09/2002 11:45:54 PM PDT by Lilly
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To: strela
I'm glad to hear you say that about the boots thing. As I say, I'm a transplant, didn't even get into the general area--Oklahoma--till about twelve years ago, and only been in Texas for eight years.

And to this day, I do not own a pair of boots, because (1) I've never worn any; (2) I'm afraid to pay a whole big bunch of money to find out that I can't stand 'em; and (3) being originally from Alabama, I tend to not wear ANYTHING on my feet as much as possible. It always seemed to me that surrounding my dogs with even MORE leather was DECIDEDLY going in the wrong direction!

179 posted on 07/09/2002 11:46:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Where are the doctors' reports about trauma to the kidneys?
The boy suffered kidney failure as a result of the beating and spent the Fourth of July weekend in the intensive care unit of Brackenridge Hospital sedated with morphine,...
True, this is a police affadavit not a doctor's report, but then again it doesn't say where it came from.

And I suspect that such an allegation would be easy enough to prove, don't you think?

180 posted on 07/09/2002 11:49:22 PM PDT by Illbay
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