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Just lost a customer/Letter from a lady in Maine
The Bangor Daily News ^ | 13 July 2002 | Donna George

Posted on 07/13/2002 6:42:51 AM PDT by SheLion

Today, I sent my son-in-law to the Maine Smoke Shop in Brewer to buy some tobacco. He is 19 years old, and is in the military. The person at the counter asked for his ID, which I can understand. When she saw it, however, she showed it to the owner, and the owner said, “That’s no good, get out of here.”

My son-in-law told me several places in Bangor will not accept his military ID. What is wrong with this town? I will ask everyone else just as I asked the owner of that shop when I called him: Do you not appreciate having your country protected by our boys?

I am from a military family. My father was retired military, and I was born in Bangor, but I am ashamed of how most of the businesses in this town act and treat their customers. This is the most unappreciative town I have ever lived in, and I have lived in many.

Our military men and women should be treated with respect, as should any customer. To tell someone to get our of their store because of their ID is an embarrassment. Do they treat all military personnel that way? Judging by the economy around here, they should be kissing their feet, for more reasons than just that they are protecting us. I informed the Maine Smoke Shop that they just lost a customer because of their attitude, and if I didn’t live here now, and need some of the other stores around here, I would tell them the same.

Donna George

Carmel


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
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To: SheLion
You are describing the old id. The new CAC card is quite different. It is poorly designed with the digital scan area on the back obscuring information. It is not meant as id except inside the military. When the card readers are installed on base it will make things easier but will not be much use in town. It would be much better to get a Mexican consular card.
41 posted on 07/13/2002 7:58:44 AM PDT by willyone
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Bangor is a Navy friendly town. The new CAC(Common Access Card)cards are not meant for use except within the military. We even had gate guards on base not accept them when they were first issued. All information is on a chip and of little use in town.
42 posted on 07/13/2002 8:03:26 AM PDT by willyone
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To: calvin sun
I think it is Brewster not Brewer.
43 posted on 07/13/2002 8:04:47 AM PDT by willyone
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To: SheLion
Before you crucify them, be sure this is their fault. Sometimes governments impose ludicrous restrictions on what qualifies as a "valid" ID. I know this from firsthand experience; there are ID-requiring businesses in MS, for example, that can only accept a driver's license or a state-issued ID that comes from the driver's license bureau. A military ID will not suffice. I don't know that this is the case in this particular situation, but you might want to check the facts just to be sure before going off on a tangent.

MM

44 posted on 07/13/2002 8:06:50 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: SheLion
The airline at Boston Logan Airport refused to accept as proof of identity my Navy ID last time I flew from there.
45 posted on 07/13/2002 8:08:28 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: who knows what evil?
As a former resident, I can tell you that Bangor is "Democrat Central"; from rabid anti-conservative Stephen King right on down...

Oh! Don't think I don't know it! Independent Governor and a house ruled by the DemocRATS. No wonder the conservatives in this state can't get ahead or have our rights protected.

46 posted on 07/13/2002 8:09:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion


29 State House Station
101 Hospital Street
Augusta, Maine  04333-0029
Tel:   207-624-9000 ext 52119
Fax:  207-624-9186
TTY:  207-624-9105

Maine State Identification Cards

Any person who is a Maine resident, or a nonresident temporarily domiciled in the State with a mailing address in the State may apply for an official state non-driver identification card. 

State Identification Cards are issued at all motor vehicle branch offices.  The fee is $5.00. 

Please bring with you two of the following documents for identification. One must indicate your date of birth and the other must bear your written signature. 

            Drivers License                       Drivers Permit
            Driver Education Card              Social Security Card
            Passport                                Birth Certificate
            Military ID Card                       Citizenship Papers
            Military Dependent ID Card       Divorce Papers
            Certificate of Marriage              Baptismal Records
            Court Order                             School Records/Transcript (certified)
            Unemployment Card                Concealed Weapons Permit
            Adoption Papers
 



It looks like in the Great State of Maine being in the United States Military is the same as being unemployed, licensed driver, or merely being having a birth certificate.

As long elected state officals are writing laws which result in this utter disrespect for our service men and women, it is no wonder that a store owner would follow suite.

Recalling the Ken Burns Civil War series were he recounts stories soldiers from the Great State of Maine.. my eyes fill with tears, for that once Great State has lost it's way.

47 posted on 07/13/2002 8:11:45 AM PDT by A. Morgan
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To: SheLion
Oh! But the Republic of Maine taxes my husbands military retirement!

Do they also tax the retirement pay of the state workers that have retired from the state payroll?

If not, the taxing of other retirements may be disallowed.

Here in Alabama, my military retirement cannot be taxed by the state, simply because the state does not tax retired state workers.

A court case from a few years back. Don't know all the details, but I do know that the state had to refund a few million to those that they had previously collected from.

Check it out, it may have been a precedent-setting case with application to other states.

48 posted on 07/13/2002 8:14:26 AM PDT by OldSmaj
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To: SheLion
They're lucky that they don't live in Madison, Wisconsin...he'd have been imprisoned as a subversive. :{)
49 posted on 07/13/2002 8:18:00 AM PDT by gorush
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To: VOA
Friendly suggestion: Leave.

Move to Texas (San Antonio is loaded with military types) or Florida.

Bless you! However......we came up here for Loring Air Force Base in 1983. Bought a home in 1984. I landed a job with SATO, a government travel agency for TDY's and PCS moves. I worked there 8 years, right up until the base closed on September 30, 1994.

Hubby retired from the military in 1992, but went back to work on Loring as a civilian. When the base closed, a Government Finance Agency moved in. He was really lucky to land a job there as an accountant for the government.

We are pretty well dug in here, and he is just working so he can retire for good! So, at this stage in our lives, we just want to pass on through with some peace.

But........they say hind sight is 50-50. If we had known back then what we know now, you can bet we would never have settled way up here at the top of Maine.

When we first came to Maine back in 1983, we had a Republican Governor, and taxes were pretty fair. But over the years, the lawmakers became more and more liberal, and now since King has been Governor, taxes have gone through the roof, he has allowed a LOT of pet programs for the DemocRATS, and the whole government has gone to hell.

At least, living this far north, we should be pretty safe from terrorists, though. Nothing UP here. hehe! Unless they want to blow up potato fields. LOL!

Now my moto is: "It's their world, I'm just passing through." :(

50 posted on 07/13/2002 8:23:36 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
As a former member of the military, a smoker, and a citizen of the United States of America I will tell you that whether this is state of Maine regulation or a guideline from the owner I am INCENSED.
The men and women of the military deserve more respect than this for many reasons.
If it is found out that this is a guideline from the owner I think that a mass freeping of this store is in order. Letters, e-mails, phone calls, the whole works.
This is NOT about a 19 year trying to buy tobacco. This is about a US MILITARY ID not being taken as proof that this citizen is who they state they are.
51 posted on 07/13/2002 8:25:30 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: calvin sun
I called this second number, but Mike was unavailable. The person I spoke to said that he thought they DID take military IDs. I therefore asked him to clarify with Mike, and to double check with the store. I also gave him a "heads up" that this incident is on Free Republic.

GOD BLESS YOU CALVIN SUN! THANK YOU "SO" MUCH!

52 posted on 07/13/2002 8:27:59 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I am a 100% service connected disabled Viet Nam veteran. For medical reasons I receive health care not at VA facilities but through "Fee for Services" payment by the VA to varius outside care givers.

I carry a "Fee Basis" card from the VA that is used like normal people would use an insurance card. The care givers swipe my card, bill the VA and in most cases are paid more quickly and with less paper work than they would be if dealing with an actual insurance company or HMO.

If you are angry about being delayed in getting a pack of smokes you should see what I have to go through to get health care.

Typically when I have to go to a new Doctor they initially refuse to honor my card. Then it takes me days or weeks to find a Doctor of the same specialty who will accept payment from the VA. Or to hammer out the details of the transaction with the original Doctors office staff.

Almost every medical facility I have every used has originally tried to convince me to go elsewhere before they agreed to treat me. I am treated like a mooch who is looking for free care and get talked to that way frequently in crowded medical waiting rooms.

Finding a Dentist or a place to get eye glasses that will even discuss this manner of payment with me is a major challenge. I am grateful for the VA care. I am grateful that the VA recognizes my special needs and allows me to be treated outside the VA medical system.

I am not grateful for the "Tommy this and Tommy that" bums rush I get at the various Doctor's Offices. The most frustrating part of this often repeated ordeal is that once I am able to convince a Doctor's paper shufflers to "Fool with a Disabled vet" they truly do get paid higher fee's at a faster rate than they would with an insurance company or HMO.

I guarantee you that it is much more inconvienient and humiliating to be turned away from a medical specialist's office because they do not want to "Fool around with the bother" of billing the VA to treat a 100% Service Connected veteran. But you learn to live with these little slights in modern America.

OK. Now I am prepared to be flamed for sucking free medical care off of the Tax Payers. Flame away!!

53 posted on 07/13/2002 8:28:51 AM PDT by carpio
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To: jmax
Shop owner should be famliar with Military I.D. Cards, as Brewer / Bangor is just up the road from Naval Air Station, Brunswick (lots of military, military dependents and military retiree's there) and Bath, home of Bath Iron Works, builders of US Navy ships. Lot of BIW workers are military retiree's AND a lot of active duty Navy men and women live in the Bath area that are assigned to the ships' pre-commissioning crew.

OH MY GOD, I AM SO STUPID SOMETIMES!

Your RIGHT! We travel down to Bangor Commissary and BX several times a year. My God, they have their Air Force Base there, for heaven's sake!

I am SO stupid! Thanks for reminding me!!!!!!

54 posted on 07/13/2002 8:31:17 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Have your son contact his Company Commander, or better yet his Base Commander, and I am sure they will put the establishment(s) off limits. This is ridiculous
55 posted on 07/13/2002 8:31:43 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: SheLion
Did he tell them it was a military ID? A couple weeks ago I showed my military ID at a bank in Texas by accident. They cashed my check with no questions asked. As long as it has a picture a signature and now a day it even has a bar code with medical insurance info on it.

I think the guy in the tobacco shop was more stupid than anything.

56 posted on 07/13/2002 8:32:51 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Japedo
Never ever hand your military ID card to anyone, and that includes your Dependent ID Card
57 posted on 07/13/2002 8:35:38 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: willyone
You are describing the old id

Excuse me, but I had this one renewed in 1998, and it has the holograms. Something none of them ever had in the past 25 years that hubby was active duty.

In fact, I am happy for posting this thread, because I need to go next week to have it renewed again.

No willyone, this is NOT an old ID! I will have this for the rest of my life as a dependent.

58 posted on 07/13/2002 8:36:11 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: who knows what evil?
What was that policy? Not to sell to anyone under 21, or not to accept military ID's? This needs a little clarification.

The legal age in Maine is "18" folks. 18!

59 posted on 07/13/2002 8:38:16 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Vermont Lt
The person at the counter asked for his ID, which I can understand. When she saw it, however, she showed it to the owner, and the owner said, “That’s no good, get out of here.”

The OWNER is the one who looked at it and told the military man to "GET OUT OF HERE!"

I think the OWNER needs to be EDUCATED!

60 posted on 07/13/2002 8:41:28 AM PDT by SheLion
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