What Really Happened to TWA Flight 800?

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[zarf]

Art Bell? Is that you?

I won't go back to Roswell.

[null and void]

Nothing to see here. Move along...™

[Ciexyz]

Info bump. Truly scary.

[Nexus]

The streak was a meteorite that skipped off the ocean and back into the clouds... Please, move along!

[AmericanCompatriot]

I used to work at Boeing and had the good fortune to work with the Director of Engineering sent to investigate the causes of the TWA800 crash.

He said it was obvious that an object had penetrated the fuselage and exploded from the inside, out. He concluded that a "missile" was definitely the most likely of culprits. His comments were of course off the record and never made it into the official report Boeing was forced to submit to the government.

The real question isn't "what" happened, but "why"?

[Dukie]

Insight magazine July 29, 2002 cites a Brookhaven National Lab report classified "Secret" by the FBI and never made part of the NTSB public docket:

Wreckage items of "unknown origin" which were analyzed show twenty 0.2" diameter round pellets imbedded in victims bodies. Pellets were comprised of aluminum titanium matrix and other elements including zirconum, barium and cesium.

The latter are consistent with pyrotechnics and the matrix is consistent with the fragmentation elements of antiaircraft missile warheads.

FIRO ( Flight 800 Investigators Organization ) is petitioning NTSB to re-open the investigation on the basis of this evidence which was not considered in the earlier findings.

[harpseal]

Yes it was a missle that downed Flight 800 but I doubt that the powers that be in the Us Government who are responsible for the coverup of that simple fact will ever let the full truth be known. You are correct in the question of "why?" There are two why's why was that particular aircraft shot down and whywas it covered up. Of course for an answer to the first question it must be ascertained who specifically fired the SAM. All of these questions are of course moot until the Government decides to level with the citizens.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

[AmericanCompatriot]

You'll take my guns away when you pry it from my cold, dead body. I'm not giving my rights away to anyone. That's how I was raised and that's how I'll go to my grave. Who wants to live in tyranny, anyway? Our Founding Father's certainly didn't.

If it comes to that, I just hope us "true" patriots have enough time and sense to organize. Otherwise, it will be a futile fight against the beast.

[Young Werther]

Terrorist shootdown? US Navy shootdown. Don't matter. The re-election of Bilk Xlinton was the over-riding aspect of this incident. He gets his intern. We get screwed. Snufalopogus gets "This Week" and we get more liberal propoganda. Wowser!

[1L]

Of course for an answer to the first question it must be ascertained who specifically fired the SAM.

What SAM has an altitude range of 13,500 feet?

[Slyfox]

Maj. Fritz Meyer, a winner of the Distinguished Flying Cross for his service over Vietnam, saw the southbound projectile clearest. "It was definitely a rocket motor,"... Meyer saw a bright white light also. "What I saw explode was definitely ordnance," he said. "The initiating event was a high velocity explosion, not fuel. It was ordnance."

I'd like to know how the FBI could ignore such an eyewitness.

Whoah! My bad. I forgot. That was Janet Reno's FBI.

[Dukie]

Good to exchange thoughts with you again, harpseal.

Tom Stallcup of the FIRO has received letters from NTSB Chairwoman Carol Carmody ( James Hall's successor ) saying that FIRO "would not be getting answers to the questions raised and that it was not in anyone's interest ( at NTSB ? ) even to correspond with us"

Stallcup concludes that "NTSB does not have the guts to honestly search for and report the truth."

An agency of govenment which breaches trust in such manner is derelict. Those who abide such dereliction have violated their oaths of office under the constitution. Or has the leviathan grown beyond the constitutional shackles provided by the framers?

Best to you and always remember to check 6 too, harpseal.

[Dukie]

"What SAM has an altitude range of 13,500 feet"

It was probably not a shoulder fired MANPAD. Those are equipped with small warheads and their infrared guidance would have targeted a heat source like the engine exhaust plume. IMHO, a MANPAD would more likely claimed an engine rather than the entire aircraft.

[thinden]

....the Director of Engineering sent to investigate the causes of the TWA800 crash.

He said it was obvious that an object had penetrated the fuselage and exploded from the inside, out. He concluded that a "missile" was definitely the most likely of culprits.

thanx for your insight. I wonder what the threat/payoff was to get boeing to misrepresent the facts in their own report?

was it the fear of having gummit contracts stopped or cancelled?
were they "rewarded" with new gummit contracts?

p.s. I'll toast one up for the truth & hank "hocker" gray today.

[AmericanCompatriot]

I wonder what the threat/payoff was to get boeing to misrepresent the facts in their own report?

How about "military" contracts and "favored" status for domestic and international business? I'd say without the government on its side, Boeing would have a much greater time providing profits to its stockholders.

[VectoRama]

Yes, here's some details from Insight on the pellets embedded in some Flight 800 victims...

According to Stalcup, "More than that, we have information that shows that 20 unusual .2-inch-diameter round pellets that were found in bodies were withheld from the NTSB but analyzed by the FBI and found to have been made of aluminum titanium matrix and other elements like zirconium, barium and cerium. These are pyrotechnics or incendiary devices, and the matrix structure of these objects is consistent with pellets used in antiaircraft missiles."

The FIRO chairman continues: "In fact, I found a quote in National Defense magazine that was referring to warheads that said 'pellets imbedded in titanium matrix' are used in antiaircraft warheads. The 'secret' [Brookhaven] report analysis concluded that the origin of the pellets is 'unknown' and that one of the pellets was submitted for identification because of its dissimilarity in appearance with TWA 800 debris. ...'"

The Brookhaven report on the pellets and a review of it was just posted http://www.twa800.com/pdf/brookhaven-report.pdf

[Free the USA]

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[hove]

"The real question isn't "what" happened, but "why"?"

And the follow up question......why the coverup??

[thinden]

I'd say without the government on its side, Boeing would have a much greater time providing profits to its stockholders.

interesting point you make!

in '95 BA was trading in the low 20's.
by '96 the stock was trading around high $20's to low $30's.

in what may be considered on of the most contrarian moves of all time, after the "center fuel tank" explosion of TWA flight 800 (which, ironically never grounded the fleet - including AF1), Boeing stock basically doubled to nearly $60 per share over the next two years!