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Please read post #45 there is your answer. I have seen friends who have been drug through divorce court and triumphed up charges of abuse to keep them from their children and increase child support.

Sorry, that's not the answer. Your advice to refrain from marriage because we can't deal with the symptoms of the real problem will only worsen our condition.

Men in America have stood up and shaken their fist at God and said, "No thanks, I'll do it my own way!!" That's the problem, and until the one who "was created in God's image" addresses it, our marriages, our families, our communities, and our country will continue to disintegrate.

I respect your opinions on this subject and acknowledge that it is your right to raise your daughter as you see fit, but let me offer a different opinion to you. You may just be doing your child a disservice by taking the moral highground and "towing the party line" on life while not taking into account our own biology and how humans interact with each other in the real world. Let's face it, we all have issues with sexuality, intimacy, and relationships during the transition from adolescence to adulthood, and sometimes even after maturity. I did, you did, everyone in the forum did...anyone who says otherwise is dishonest. Your daughter may be into her mid to late 20s before she starts learning some of life's toughest lessons. She will be at such a disadvantage compared to the majority of people who don't hold pre-marital sex or co-habitation in such contempt...it may even ruin a good marriage or relationship in her future. Besides that, physical intimacy is a tremendously important part in any normal relationship and sometimes two people just don't click. Who wants to sign a 50 year lease on a car without test driving it at least once? Let me ask you this, when you and your daughter discuss sex, do you portray it as some kind of dirty necessity or do you describe it as an expression of love and affection between two people? The devil is always in the details.

As far as marriage goes, let me pose another question? Let's take two different couples for an example, neither couple with any children to legitimize. Both couples love, honor, and respect each other in a committed monogamous relationship. One couple has a piece of paper from the state that says they are married, one does not. Which pair is more favored by God? Does God care anymore for the couple endorsed by a local government?

The Bible is the word of God and I do believe in its message. That being said, it's purpose is not to sovle our problems but to resolve the conflict of human nature and God's direction.