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Posted on 07/18/2002 12:08:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
Eco-Terror Expert Calls For Inquiry of Green Anarchists
Marc Morano, CNSNews.com, Thursday, July 18, 2002
An expert on eco-terrorism is calling on the FBI to investigate an organization that is touting a nationwide tour to "destroy civilization" and raise money for convicted eco-terrorists, but a spokesman for the FBI's Domestic Terrorism Program said the agency is taking a hands-off approach for the time being.
The Green Anarchy Tour 2002, currently traveling from Ashland, Ore., to Washington, D.C., advertises its participants as "anarchists," refers to police as "the fascist force we are up against" and calls convicted eco-terrorists "prisoners of war."
Such rhetoric has Ron Arnold concerned. Arnold, vice president of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise, said the tour "presents probable cause for investigation.
"You do have people here recommending violence, murder, property damage, everything you can think of," he said.
Arnold is author of several books on the environmental movement including "Ecoterror: The Violent Agenda to Save Nature: The World of the Unabomber."
He believes that with the increasing number of domestic environmental and animal rights terrorist acts in the United States, the FBI should be more proactive in investigating possible threats like the Green Anarchy Tour.
"I would say that law enforcement has an obligation, probable cause to at least look into it," Arnold said. "If they say they are going to destroy civilization, I think we should take them at their word," he added.
FBI Lukewarm to Investigation
The FBI is less concerned than Arnold, at least publicly, saying it won't do anything until and unless the law is broken.
"The FBI is only concerned when there is a violation of the law," said Steven Berry, spokesman for the FBI's Domestic Terrorism Program. "We fully support the rights of any and all groups, no matter what their message or their purpose, to lawfully assemble, protest and march."
When asked about the risks of terrorism from domestic sources, Berry said, "The FBI is only concerned when there is a violation of federal law," adding that eco-terrorism is "the number one investigative priority of the domestic terrorism section."
But Arnold thinks the matter deserves greater attention, noting that the Green Anarchy Tour's support of convicted members of the radical environmental group Earth Liberation Front makes an investigation more necessary.
The group's Internet website says that proceeds from the tour will help convicted arsonists such as Jeffrey "Free" Luers and Craig "Critter" Marshall.
"[Earth Liberation Front] is an FBI declared terrorist organization that they want to be the beneficiary of their proceeds," Arnold said.
Eco-Terrorism on The Rise
According to Arnold, the threat of domestic terrorists cannot be underestimated. "I think it is as much a threat as foreign terrorism. These people are going to damage property and kill people," Arnold said.
Domestic terrorism and violence by environmental and animal 'rights' activists is on the rise, according to Arnold. "We've had 'animal rights' activists beat people with baseball bats causing serious injury. We see that kind of violence growing," Arnold said.
According to the FBI, there have been more than 600 cases of eco-terrorism causing $43 million dollars in property damage over the past decade, prompting him to call the federal response to eco-terrorism "a day late and a dollar short."
Arnold cited the failure of federal law enforcement for the escalating violence. "We probably have got [sic] literally thousands of [eco-terrorists] who ought to be in jail," he said, placing the blame squarely on the FBI for "failing to investigate exactly the kind of things you see on the [Green Anarchy] web site."
Today there are close to 20 fires burning in Oregon. Are any of these fires due to the promises of these Enviral Eco Terrorists or just due to their forest miss management agendas.
More links will posted to this thread re what's happening today and what these groups have threatened America with.
Kattracks posted this article while I was in the process of posting it. No need for double posting.
Green Anarchists =
Teasing ranchers
Researching ants
Just being,
Unless of course you belong to a gun club, militia, or, get ready to gasp, one of the State TRT's. Then, of course, no law need be broken for your group to be actively investigated. Where's Mulder and Skully when we need them?
EBUCK
Turns out I was wrong...sort of...but here a\they are apparently AFFILIATED with ELF.
I can only say it is SUPREMELY STUPID OF THE FBI to be SOOOOOO worried about accusations from Constitutionalists that the rights of eco terrorists brought in for questioning will be violated (EXAMPLE: anyone catch Ann Coulter today? The guy at the very end of the show.)....THAT THEY WON'T INVESTIGATE the POSSIBLE breaking of law until a law is broken spectacularly enough to warrent an investigation!!!
Note to FBI: THIS IS A TERRORIST CELL AFFILIATED WITH, AND PROBABLY AN OFFSHOOT OF, A KNOWN TERRORIST GROUP!! HAS AL QAEDA TAUGHT YOU NOTHING???
Stupid. So stupid.
"The FBI is only concerned when there is a violation of the law," said Steven Berry
Crime follow up. That's all they have. Several courts have ruled that it's not an LEOs job to protect people from crime. Rather, to enforce the law. In that case, should any eco-terrorists on their tour of destruction break the law it is LEOs that failed to enforce the law. The FBI has been informed of the high probability of crimes to come from a specific group with a known location. The FBI needs to enforce the law. If the eco-terrorists do commit crimes it will be taken into account the amount of negligence and or incompetence by the FBI.
I mean, if the FBI can't competently thwart known eco-terrorists from committing crimes with a map of their tour schedule in hand it is blatantly obvious that the FBI would be useless in thwarting unknown and difficult-to-locate Islamic terrorist.
I wonder, can "recommending" be the same as "conspiring"?
"Four legs good, two legs bad."
-George Orwell, Animal Farm
Eco-terrorists present as clear and present a danger to this country as al Qaeda or ANY of the zillions of other Islamifascist terrorist groups in this country. If the FBI can do sweeps of jewelery kiosks run by illegals in US malls as apparent money laundering centers for Islamic terrorists, they can sure as heck use the same tactic on the worst of the enviro terrorists.
I believe the FBI's worried because the enviro terrorists are savvy with all the successful legal sallies used by the left for so many years. Why make arrests when you know the enemy has the support of the rich and influential, and you probably won't win the case?
Good Lord...I think I'm saying the FBI isn't sure how to deal with them....I hope I am wrong.
I think I'm saying the FBI isn't sure how to deal with them.
It's negligence or incompetence -- probably both. Time and events will tell as the eco-terrorists go on their tour of destruction.
True... True...
Like the Budweiser "Wazzup" commercials from last year.
If you take your family to Burger King, please do not buy their veggie burger. Peta gets money for each veggie burger sold. Peta finances the radical animal loving groups. (Peta's MurderKing Site)
Yup. And you know what I say to these types, Gramps? "My Foe-Foe (.44) makes sure your kids don't grow!" I mean, if that's all these types understand, why not?
Please go to this link and then to the link in this link for some of the greatest reading on Bubba and his real legacy.
This great photo and other goodies on Bubba are in that article that I linked here: (Bubba to visit Portland, tomorrow!)
I was thinking more along the lines of KNOWING you are stuck in a no-win situation, and trying to figure out how to procede from there.
Correction to my previous post : "World Summit on Sustainable Development 26 August - 4 September 2002", I should have said. Interesting co-inky-dink in the dates, no?
Yeah, come on down to E. 152nd & St. Clair. C'mon! Now that would be fun!
My, how cryptic....what is that other way?
OH...BEFORE you answer that, your way HAS to be one which takes into account mainstream America's fears of losing it's civil rights, the reaction of the "FREE PADILLA" crowd which is feuling those fears, AND the lefties who are so adroit with our legal system, especially the parts affiliated with the DNC.
...Really? Maybe that's why the Muslim boycott of McDonalds' hasn't materialized.....must be some disorder in the ranks, causing reports to get lost.
I think I'm saying the FBI isn't sure how to deal with them 13
That they don't know how to deal with them it's incompetence. It certainly isn't competence that they can't figure out what to do. As I said earlier, that is not promising when they can't handle the little stuff yet are expected to handle unknown and difficult-to-locate terrorists.
I think the FBI is simply being smart by publicly downplaying their concern. Who says they are not watching these groups like a hawk? And why should the FBI send out warning signals to them? Let them hang themselves with overconfidence.
I was pleasantly surprised to learn that convicted arsonists such as Jeffrey "Free" Luers and Craig "Critter" Marshall were indeed being watched. One of them got 20 years, I think, and the other about 6, for bombing a car dealership here in Oregon, but I don't recall whether the FBI was part of that investigation or not. Grampa, can you supply any details? Anyhow, it shows that law enforcement and the courts take these eco-terrorists pretty seriously.
Meanwhile, as I said, let them go around the country announcing their criminal intentions and putting their luniness on public display. Heck, they are so arrogant and self-righteous, I wouldn't put it past them to post inadvertent clues about their upcoming crimes on their own internet site! One thing to keep in mind is that this country has no history of leftist guerilla warfare, just various riots and isolated acts by small groups like the Weathermen and the SLA. The eco-nuts have no expertise, they are naive amateurs -- spoiled children really, probably sub-consciously asking for a good spanking from their elders, lol. I doubt they would have the guts to put their lives on the line for their 'noble cause'. It will be interesting to see what kind of flak they draw in their nationwide anarchy tour. Somehow, I don't think the time is politically 'correct' to run around the country calling for the destruction of America! (I noticed that NYC is not on their agenda, wonder why?)
People like you cannot be trusted with handling valid assessments. For what it's worth, my reply number 13, which you refer to, ALSO contains a valid suggestion of how the FBI can begin to get around the left-wing elite and the "free Padilla" crowd. THAT, however, is only a BEGINNING which the FBI MAY be able to build upon in this case. You can only see the part that you want to see.
..."The FBI had no problem with preemptive surveillance when they broke the mob....thus paving the way for the Columbians to come in, unfettered by the mob that was broken by the FBI"
I agree, the FBI probably is.....it'd be stupid if it wasn't, but with the heads of SOME local offices, there's no way to tell.
In truth, I have faith in the FBI in general. And sympathy for the situation that all current circumstances, both of their making and out of their control, have landed the FBI in at this time.
I agree that the bulk of eco nuts are spoiled children with nothing better to do and looking for attention, however, the bulk of them (which make up the prtests and riots) are nothing more than the equivilant of cannon fodder for their handlers....who ARE dangerous.
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ALF Mission Statement / Credo
The Animal Liberation Front (ALF) carries out direct action against animal abuse in the form of rescuing animals and causing financial loss to animal exploiters, usually through the damage and destruction of property.
The ALF's short-term aim is to save as many animals as possible and directly disrupt the practice of animal abuse. Their long term aim is to end all animal suffering by forcing animal abuse companies out of business.
It is a nonviolent campaign, activists taking all precautions not to harm any animal (human or otherwise).
Because ALF actions are against the law, activists work anonymously, either in small groups or individually, and do not have any centralized organization or coordination.
The Animal Liberation Front consists of small autonomous groups of people all over the world who carry out direct action according to the ALF guidelines. Any group of people who are vegetarians or vegans and who carry out actions according to ALF guidelines have the right to regard themselves as part of the ALF
Remember the animals "freed" from poultry farms last year in the middle of the winder? The ones that didn't get hit by cars froze to death...but these people DO cause real damage.
BTW...they did hit NYC earlier this year, but security was too tight for them to do any more but hold up stupid, childish signs. Fox covered it.
Direct Quotes from Luers:
On June 16, 2000 I ignited a fire that would forever change my life. I torched 3 SUV’s. I took extra care and used specific fuels to ensure no one would be injured.
Approximately 30 minutes after the fire was lit and extinguished, I was taken into custody by 3 undercover agents who had been following me, one of whom I would later learn to be a member of an anti-domestic terrorist unit. I was arrested on Criminal Mischief One,a charge that carries about one year. In the course of one week that charge would multiply into 10 felony counts, including 3 counts of Arson One.
Getting to trial took the course of a year. By trial I had accumulated 13 felony counts, now including conspiracy with persons unknown. I was looking at a little over 100 years. I refused to take a deal.
I had never seen that remark about the " 3 undercover agents who had been following me, one of whom I would later learn to be a member of an anti-domestic terrorist unit."
I wonder if that includes al Qaeda terrorists?
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