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Every LEGAL Vote Should Count!
various ^ | 18 July 02 | commiefighter

Posted on 07/18/2002 2:52:51 PM PDT by commiefighter

At the mid-July convention of the NAACP, President Kweisi Mfume drew attention to a “callous, deliberate and clearly unconstitutional effort to suppress” the black vote in Florida during the 2000 presidential election. He was correct, but probably didn’t realize he was describing the plight of African-Americans attempting to vote Republican.

In an project to research and verify claims of minority votes being disallowed during the 2000 Florida vote, John R. Lott Jr., and James K. Glassman, resident fellows at the American Enterprise Institute, found that black Republicans were victims of widespread discrimination. Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Lott and Glassman said: “The new finding show that African-American Republicans who voted in Florida were in excess of 50 times more likely than the average African-American to have had a ballot declared invalid...” They also found that... “Among white voters, Republicans were much more likely than Democrats to have spoiled ballots.” They further concluded that ...”the overall rate of spoiled ballots was 14 percent higher when the county election supervisor was a Democrat and 31 percent higher when the superior was an African-American Democrat.” This suggests that, in addition to suppressing military ballots, the Democrats attempted to disenfranchise Florida’s 22,270 registered minority Republican voters.

Elsewhere, columnist George Will writes that the night before the 2000 election, Democratic Rep. William Clay of Missouri told a Gore-Lieberman rally that a lawsuit would be filed to force the polls to stay open longer than Missouri law allowed. Such a suit was filed claiming that minorities were having trouble voting. The only problem was that the claimant had died in 1999. Nevertheless, a compliant judge ordered the polls to stay open, while a prerecorded telephone message from Jesse Jackson was already telling prospective voters that poll hours were extended. Were minorities actually having problems, or was it cover for moving groups of illegal or duplicate voters to different polling places? Missouri’s secretary of state says that among 1,384 ballots illegally cast, 62 belonged to felons, 79 were from vacant lot registrations, 86 voted twice, and 14 votes were in the names of dead persons. Of 1,268 applications for court ordered permission to vote, 1,233 were improperly granted to people who had never registered, but gave excuses that allowed them to vote. Did the above shenanigans tip the Missouri election?

Correspondingly, an investigation by the Republican National Committee has found evidence of duplicate voter registration and other voter fraud in 11 states where over 140,000 persons had been eligible to vote in at least 2 jurisdictions, according to the June 13th Washington Post. Of these, 689 persons were actually recorded as having cast ballots in two different places. The study was initiated when a December 2000 story in the New York Post reported that 14,000 voters in the state had dual registrations.

Those members of Congress who would like to make it more difficult for persons to vote illegally have been blocked by liberals. Anti-fraud provisions such as stringent review of voter rolls, and a requirement that mail registration include proof of identity are running into obstructions. “It’s just a much a violation of civil rights to have your vote diluted by an illegal vote as it is to have your vote denied,” said Senator Chris Bond of Missouri, who questions the practice of mail-in voter registration. Democrats, whose “motor-voter” law led to this lax form of registration, predictably disagree. It’s obvious that we need real election reform to include repeal of the “motor-voter” law and a clean up of election registration and administration. Tell your representatives and senators that you demand election reform that makes every LEGAL vote count.

commiefighter.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; fraud; politics

1 posted on 07/18/2002 2:52:51 PM PDT by commiefighter
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To: rdb3; Khepera; elwoodp; MAKnight; South40; condolinda; mafree; Trueblackman; FRlurker; ...
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2 posted on 07/18/2002 2:55:52 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mhking
I believe that liberal vote fraud is more widespread than we will ever be able to prove.
3 posted on 07/18/2002 3:04:45 PM PDT by Recluse
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To: commiefighter
If you criticize Israel, you're an "anti-semite". If you criticize the NAALCP, you're a "racist bigot."

So it goes.

4 posted on 07/18/2002 3:14:03 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Recluse
I believe that liberal vote fraud is more widespread than we will ever be able to prove.

I second that. Let's have a vote!

5 posted on 07/18/2002 3:15:08 PM PDT by Lower55
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To: Lower55
I have three votes right here! =)
6 posted on 07/18/2002 3:17:07 PM PDT by Skwidd
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To: commiefighter
“It’s just a much a violation of civil rights to have your vote diluted by an illegal vote as it is to have your vote denied,” said Senator Chris Bond of Missouri, who questions the practice of mail-in voter registration.
Journalism's watchdog instincts just fail them utterly when the Democratic Party evinces supreme confidence that Republicans won't steal more votes than they do.

7 posted on 07/18/2002 4:30:05 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Illbay
And if you support Israel your're an anti-muslim bigot.

Get used to it, if you are conservative, everything you do is racist. It's the only charge they have.
8 posted on 07/18/2002 4:56:01 PM PDT by dinasour
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To: republican; Angelique; rboatman; tame; Alamo-Girl; zappo; backhoe; goseminoles; Balding_Eagle; ...
Thousands of Felons Voted Despite Purge

5,643 Felons Voted Illegally In Florida;
68% (3,837) Were Registered As Democrats

By Scott Hiaasen, Gary Kane, Elliot Jaspin
May 28, 2001

Thousands of felons voted in the presidential election last year, despite a three-year, $3.3 million campaign by state officials to keep them off the voter rolls.

A Palm Beach Post computer analysis has identified more than 5,600 people who voted on Nov. 7 though they appeared to perfectly match names on a statewide list of suspected felons. Each of these voters had exactly the same name, date of birth, race and gender as a felon identified by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

These illegal voters almost certainly influenced the down-to-the-wire presidential election. It's likely they benefited Democratic candidate Al Gore: Of the likely felons identified by the Post, 68% were registered Democrats.

In Florida, felons are barred from voting unless granted clemency. Any felon who "willfully" casts a ballot in spite of the law can be convicted of a third-degree felony.

But correctly identifying felons among Florida's 8.8 million registered voters sounds easier than it is: The state has yet to figure out how to find felons without catching legal voters in the same net.

The state hired a private company, Database Technologies Inc., to compile an annual list of felons by comparing voter rolls and criminal databases. This list was then sent to county elections supervisors. However, because of flaws in the data, it's possible that a few of the 5,643 felons the Post found aren't felons at all. In rare cases, someone could have the exact name, birth date and race as a felon. And in some cases, names of people convicted only of misdemeanors made their way onto FDLE's list of felons.

These flaws made most local elections supervisors skeptical of the list. While some used it carefully, removing only voters they could verify as felons, supervisors in 20 of the state's 67 counties ignored it altogether. More than 3,000 apparent felons voted in counties where the list was not used, the Post analysis shows.

One supervisor who didn't use the list was Theresa LePore of Palm Beach County. LePore said she thought the list was so flawed that by using it she would disenfranchise legitimate voters. So LePore chose instead to rely on her usual checks of local court records to find felons, a less thorough approach that all but guaranteed felons would make it to the polls.

The Post found 766 apparent felons who voted in Palm Beach County. "I chose not to use it because I choose to err on the side of the voter," LePore said. Many Palm Beach County felons who made the list were convicted decades ago but continued to vote. One voter had a single conviction in 1957.

Without the DBT felon list, it's unlikely these illegal voters would ever be detected, because local court clerks don't scan old records for them. They only report felony convictions to the elections office as they occur.

One of these voters, Zara Hester of Belle Glade, said she had no idea she wasn't supposed to vote. Hester, 54, was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 1972; she said she shot a boyfriend in the leg in self-defense and paid only a small fine in court.

"They'd have to lock me away 30 years back, because I've been voting as long as I could vote," said Hester. She would not say for whom she voted on Nov. 7, but she is a lifelong Democrat.

Another voter, Catherine Hanks of Pahokee, said she was unaware that she had a felony record. According to the FDLE, she was convicted in 1981 for her role in an illegal lottery and paid a $100 fine.

Though she vaguely remembers the arrest -- "I know the police came, but they never booked me" -- she said no one ever told her she couldn't vote. "Every time it comes time to vote, I vote," said Hanks, 65, who voted for Gore. [b]Skepticism of list spread [/b]

Statewide, Broward County had the largest number of felons who voted, with nearly 1,500. Officials there also avoided using the list because they found problems with it the year before; instead, they removed only those voters who admitted they were felons.

"It was quickly determined that the information (on the DBT list) was not credible or reliable . . . so we did not use the list at all," said Joe Cotter, assistant elections supervisor in Broward County.

The skepticism spread throughout the state last year, as county after county fielded complaints from voters wrongly targeted as convicts. Counties that employed the list did so cautiously, allowing thousands of felons to slip through the cracks.

In Duval County -- where 920 apparent felons cast ballots -- the elections office sent letters to more than 4,000 suspected felons on the DBT list, warning them that they could be removed from the rolls. But if a voter denied being a felon, officials took the voter at his word.

"We took the philosophy that we're not in the law enforcement business and we're not in the clemency business. We didn't have the resources for that," said Dick Carlberg of the Duval County elections office.

Some elections supervisors allowed suspected felons to vote if they signed affidavits swearing they weren't criminals. Many of these affidavits came in on Election Day, when officials were already swamped with surprisingly strong voter turnout.

Miami-Dade County Elections Supervisor David Leahy said he felt obligated to believe voters who signed these statements, noting how difficult it would be for the average person to prove himself innocent. In Polk County, seven voters who signed affidavits were in fact felons, and they are now being investigated by prosecutors.

Elections supervisors found plenty of reasons to doubt the DBT product. Several said they found people listed as felons though they were only convicted of misdemeanors, or their convictions had been withheld. The FDLE said it gave DBT data only on felons with confirmed convictions, though cases that were overturned on appeal may not be on the agency's records. However, the FDLE data did not provide conviction dates for nearly 5,000 suspected felons, records show.

Sometimes, even a perfect match isn't perfect. Take Floredia Walker of St. Petersburg, an employee of the state Department of Corrections who was told she couldn't vote -- she was a perfect match because a thief used her stolen driver license 15 years ago. And there could be some cases of mistaken identity. While researching one voter's complaint, DBT found four people in the United States named Robert Williams born on the same date.

Ironically, the state began using FDLE data because of inaccuracies found in prison and probation records maintained by the Department of Corrections. Because of these concerns, future felon purges will use data collected by a state association of court clerks, said Clay Roberts, director of the Division of Elections.

Why can't felons vote?

The felon purge has also highlighted the issue of whether felons should be allowed to vote. Florida is one of just a dozen states -- most of them in the South -- that bar felons from voting; most states automatically restore voting rights to criminals once they are released from prison or probation.

Black lawmakers in particular have pushed to change the law, saying it has a disproportionate effect on black voters (blacks account for 49% of felons convicted in the state). But a provision that would have restored felons' voting rights a few years after their release was dropped from the election reform bill Gov. Jeb Bush signed this month.

Some say felons should be banned from voting, arguing that it's further punishment that should deter offenders. Others say those who break the law should not be allowed to help decide who makes the laws.

But Zara Hester, the Belle Glade woman convicted in 1972, doesn't see why she should be punished today for something that happened so long ago. "Voting is a beautiful privilege," she said. "If they are going to take that away, they shouldn't call it freedom."

Washington Bureau reporter Christine Xu contributed to this story.

Copyright © 2001 Palm Beach Post. All rights reserved.

For education and discussion purposes only. Not for commercial use.

9 posted on 07/18/2002 5:55:44 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
Why am I not surprised by the figures in this article?
10 posted on 07/18/2002 6:03:13 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: commiefighter
Well done, commiefighter. It's mindboggling that we still have to answer the slander from the left re. election 2000. Did you know that Gore did better in Palm Beach county than in any other county in Florida? It was Bush's worst county.

And while the Dems. are still blaming those Votomatic punch card machines (like the one in Palm Beach), evidence shows the opposite. Votomatics were Gore's best counties...including my Republican Lee County (impeachment manager Bill McCollum received more votes for Senate than did George W. Bush for Pres. in Lee....in Palm Beach, Charlotte also..think about the possibility of that happening). The 12 counties with Votomatics were in Gore's top 50% Dem. votes per registered Dems., Bush's bottom 50% for Republican votes per registered Reps. Gore did better overall in the punch card counties.

Oh, and those "hick" counties, the "red" counties in Florida with fewer than 20,000 voters....all but one in 25 voted for BUSH and they are ALL Democrat majority counties with Dem. election personnel..and ALL recounted (as did EVERY county in Florida - just not 2 or 3 times 'til ballots could be manipulated for Gore). The HONEST Democrats in the small Florida counties showed mostly single digit changes in the recounts - insignificant. As one Freeper said, "my Democrat neighbors are southern Democrats with family values and don't trust Gore."

Two Republican counties went for Gore, a statistical impossibility, imho. Pinellas County's precinct counts are so mismatched, and in the inner cities..at black churches that have now become propaganda mills where stealing and bearing false witness are missing from the 10 Commandments. Pinellas election info

Finally, I ask the press accusers: Did you hear of a Republican voting twice? Republican felons voting in large blocks? Republican illegal immigrants? Republicans in nursing homes and hospitals "helping" incompetent patients vote? Republicans adding non-resident names to the voting rosters at the polling locations? Republicans poking holes in ballots/eating chads? Writing books about recounts and how to win elections by manipulating ballots? Did Republicans have a GOTV center set up in a Palm Beach law office, with "ballot protest" forms and a telecom company set up in advance, as well as a team of lawyers ready to put the "recount' campaign in place? Did a Republican lawyer lie about an Illinois "dimple decision" to the national press and in court? Did a Republican put out a memo..to every one of 67 counties...not based on Florida law, telling poll workers that (over 1000 legitimate) military ballots should be tossed? Did Republicans misdirect military mail? Make it exceedingly difficult for military overseas to vote?

The NAACP and it's political activists have promised to monitor every polling place during the next election.

11 posted on 07/18/2002 6:38:31 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: mhking
Do I have to be conservative?
12 posted on 07/18/2002 7:22:49 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: Bryan
Thanks, Bryan. I didn't have your article bookmarked. Still sending this info off to the press....just so they know that we know - and maybe their consciences will kick in some day.(^:

L How Democrats Steal Elections
L Gore, Chris Sautter-"A Recount Primer"
L Knock and Drag: Ryan Lizza reveals how Dems. got out the black vote
L Trial Lawyers try to litigate their man into the White House
L John Lott's Florida Election Study: Black Republicans, disenfranchised by Dems.

13 posted on 07/18/2002 7:25:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Bryan
Thanks for the heads up on this Bryan.
14 posted on 07/18/2002 7:32:03 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: Bryan
Thanks for the heads up! Jeepers...
15 posted on 07/18/2002 7:43:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: commiefighter
Every legal and properly cast vote should definately count, and should never be neutralized by several illegal votes.
16 posted on 07/18/2002 7:59:11 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Bryan
"Of the likely felons identified by the Post, 68% were registered DemocRATS."

I'll bet an even higher percentage than that voted fer the RATS, too!!

When my vote is diluted by ineligible voters, I am being disenfranchised.

FReegards...MUD

17 posted on 07/18/2002 8:04:57 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Bryan
These Demorats have vote fraud down to a 'science'.
They have done it so long.......it's like second nature to them!
18 posted on 07/18/2002 8:22:39 PM PDT by mickie
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Do I have to be conservative?

For the list? Nope. You want on?

19 posted on 07/18/2002 8:39:54 PM PDT by mhking
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To: mickie
THe Dems are so good at voter fraud and ever other scam on earth , that when the scam fails, they convince the idiots among us (with the willing assistance of our devious media) that the Repubs won by cheating, as in the case of Florida, last Presidential election. A two party system has worked pretty well over the years and well may in the future, but the Dems are no longer fit to be one of those parties.

I believe that their own once devoted members, now see that winning is all that matters to the Dems-if tactics for winning destroys the country-so be it. In other words,if they can't have her, no body can. THe Dems are the party of suicidal politics-if it lives, America dies-Go to hell demonRATS party!!!
20 posted on 07/18/2002 8:42:02 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: Bryan
Of the likely felons identified by the Post, 68% were registered Democrats.

Birds of a feather stick together.

21 posted on 07/18/2002 9:26:11 PM PDT by Valin
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To: mhking
The DemocCRYats will never get over the election will they?
22 posted on 07/18/2002 9:35:32 PM PDT by mafree
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To: commiefighter
Republicans like Sen. Bond talk a good fight about the evils of illegal voting, but what have they done about it; especially now that a Republican is in charge of the Justice Department.
23 posted on 07/18/2002 10:33:59 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
Good question. I wish I had a good answer.
24 posted on 07/18/2002 11:08:29 PM PDT by Valin
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To: Bryan
The Dems got 5 million to 10 million fraudulant votes nation wide. They are the party of organized crime and extortion. Inner city vote fraud is easy for them, that's where their power is based, through the unions and their crime links.
25 posted on 07/18/2002 11:13:35 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: pawdoggie; BillyBoy
illegal voting, but what have they done about it; especially now that a Republican is in charge of the Justice Department.

Good question. In Crook County I see no effort by the Illinois Republican Attorney General, nor US Attorney, nor party, to address the problem. Voter rolls in Crook County are such a mess it is impossible to know what is fraud and what is incompetence.

Recently in the elections office of the Crook County Clerk, the receptionist had a voter's registration up on the screen and changed the birth date of the voter. The voter was not present. She did not know the voter. She had no birth certificate, drivers license or other official document as a basis on which to make the change. There was no request from anyone anywhere to change that birth date. She did it all on her own for who knows what reason.

A husband and wife may register at the same time, same place (both at the drivers license facility, or both on Motor Voter cards I give them and hand deliver, or both at the library or village or towhsip hall). One name pops up as registered. One doesn't. Of those that pop up somewhere, they might be on the poll list, but not in the binder; Or have a wallet card but not be on the poll list or binder. Every possible combination of inconsistency exists. There is no rhyme or reason; no pattern. It is chaos.

When voters move they put down their old address so they can be stricken from the old address as well as added for the new address. Only sometimes is the old stricken. Sometimes due to divorce, going to college, etc only one person at an old address changes to a new address. But sometimes the County Clerk strikes all names from the old address.

Some people who vote twice must vote at the old address to protect the patronage job of their mother-in-law. For them it is not worth getting their mother-in-law fired if she might end up moving in with them or becoming a financial burden, not to mention the family fights.

Often, as a favor to the person who moved out, and so that the voter doesn't lose work and make the long trip back to the old neighborhood, the precinct captain will cast the vote of the voter who moved out. This is just another friendly service that the precinct captain provides to keep harmony in that family

We must understand is that people bending rules have good intentions. No harm, no foul.

26 posted on 07/19/2002 8:59:19 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: commiefighter
Great information, but can you provide a little more detail on the sources? I went to the link but didn't see it right off.
27 posted on 07/19/2002 10:24:19 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost
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To: #3Fan; mickie; Valin; Mudboy Slim; Alamo-Girl; Pyro7480; dixie sass; Ragtime Cowgirl
Mudboy Slim, even more than the 68% obviously voted for Gore. In the exit polls, roughly 99% of voters registered with a particular party voted for that party's candidate; but the independent voters were divided about 50/50. Since 68% of the felons who voted were registered Democrats, it's reasonable to guess that about 10% were independent, and probably half of those (5%) voted for Gore as well.

It's also reasonable to infer that as a result of this deliberate refusal by local Democratic election officials to use the DBT system and screen out convicted felons, the margin of victory for Bush in Florida was reduced by about 3500 votes.
28 posted on 07/19/2002 12:53:43 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan
"...the margin of victory for Bush in Florida was reduced by about 3500 votes."

...which, BTW, effectively debunks every argument to RATS make about the '00 election being stolen. To be a RAT in this day and age, you need to be willing to look yerself in the mirror and lie to yer own damned face!!

FReegards...MUD

29 posted on 07/19/2002 12:57:47 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
With a victory margin of 4000 votes (roughly 3500 plus 537) would Florida have even qualified under state law for any kind of a recount?
30 posted on 07/19/2002 1:04:45 PM PDT by Bryan
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To: Bryan; Luis Gonzalez
"...would Florida have even qualified under state law for any kind of a recount?"

Somebody can surely answer that, but I think it's based on % of the vote...MUD

31 posted on 07/19/2002 1:08:24 PM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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To: Bryan
...the margin of victory for Bush in Florida was reduced by about 3500 votes.

And that's just from felons. Add to it the post office shenanigans, lost vote boxes, military ballots, inner city multiple voting, Democrat thugs harassing Republican blacks, Democratic thugs harassing Haitian-Americans, media lies to keep western Floridians home, etc., and Bush probably won Florida by hundreds of thousands.

32 posted on 07/19/2002 2:23:39 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: mhking
Thanks for the offer, but I was just joking.
33 posted on 07/19/2002 2:33:23 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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