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Todays Stock Market Thread (DJIA 7784.58 (-234.68; -2.93%) NASDAQ 1282.55 (-36.60; -2.77%)

Posted on 07/22/2002 9:58:15 AM PDT by newsperson999

Dow 7,784.93 -234.33 (-2.92%)
Nasdaq 1,288.09 -31.06 (-2.35%)
S&P 500 819.51 -28.25 (-3.33%)


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To: hchutch
And of course, when it's all revealed... what do you think this sounds like to you? Sounds like we have a case of the pot calling the kettle black, and we also have Rubin is SecTreas. It could get very bloody for the Dems, and the whole "corporate corruption" issue could seriously boomerang on them. And if they drop it, a lot of "progressives" will go to the Green Party. They are between a rock and a hard place.

Yes and it's still more than 3 months to election day, an eternity in politics. Plenty of time to uncover some of the Dem's ties to these scandalous companies if the Dems try to push this issue and act innocent (which they can't be, since these scandals occurred in '98).

321 posted on 07/22/2002 2:30:51 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: aristeides
Yep...we are already there in many sectors.

Thanks Alan!....it does beat the late 70s and early 80s with double digit inflation and interest. Now that was a fundamental Bear. But the impressions Volker and Ronaldus Magnus gave helped turn that around along with stable oil prices and a boomer pop entering it's own earning potential- wise. It's that population earning power bubble that worries me almost as much as the terrs but it's more macro.

322 posted on 07/22/2002 2:32:44 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: #3Fan
The Dems are losing the issue. You gotta wonder what might be next...

How many of these folks were Friends of Bill?
323 posted on 07/22/2002 2:35:14 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: BillinDenver
Damn.....I wish I had known...lol. Truly, I have no complaints about today's commercial lending rates. Now I will build something else in the next 12 months but given that my total net worth and hence my leverage have declined decidedly these past few weeks....it'll be smaller than I first imagined. It's a great time for deep pockets to buy dirt or to buy/build income producing property.
324 posted on 07/22/2002 2:36:53 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Let's assume a 1.5% average daily drop in the major indexes between now and 8/14 (definitely not out of the question). That'll mean a net 21.48% drop between the close of business today and the opening bell of The Witching Day, and put the DJIA at 6112, NASDAQ at 1006 and S&P 500 at 643.

All you need are a few strategically-placed companies to shove the herd in that direction.

325 posted on 07/22/2002 2:37:08 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: AdamSelene235
Check out # 301 sage.
326 posted on 07/22/2002 2:38:03 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: aristeides
Difference between the Spaniards and the US; we never, ever repudiated our debts (the Confederate debts are another matter).
327 posted on 07/22/2002 2:39:57 PM PDT by steveegg
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To: wardaddy
Check out # 301 sage.

Check out the links in #306.

328 posted on 07/22/2002 2:44:42 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: steveegg
It would appear our goal to globalize our markets had the unintended effect of giving the rest of the world the oppty to select our president. If the Euros, Saudis and Japanese decide they don't like our politics they can start that ball rolling by liquidating their investment in our companies. Zogshyattby latest poll is a testament to their effectiveness as a voting block.

President Bush will not get re-elected if our markets stay don't bounce back with vigor. That's a dead certainty.

329 posted on 07/22/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Tauzero
Excellent chart!
330 posted on 07/22/2002 2:45:42 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: hchutch
The Dems are losing the issue. You gotta wonder what might be next... How many of these folks were Friends of Bill?

I saw where even Donald Trump donates to liberal candidate's campaigns. It's been a big lie since the Kennedys, the Dems say their for the little guy, but their biggest backers are the richest in America. The ultrarich know that they are secure, so they help elect Democrats to keep everyone else down. The best way to help the little guy is the conservative model. Low tax rates for everyone allows anyone with incentive and willpower to raise their boat. Ross Perot helped Clinton get elected. He did so because he knew that Dems punish the productive, successful mid-rich thereby keeping the ultrarich on the top of the mountain forming a viscous cycle of money from the ultrarich to the Dems to help them keep their spot, who then pass tax laws to help the ultrarich keep their spot. Meanwhile Dems get 90% of the black vote. Unbelievable.

331 posted on 07/22/2002 2:51:48 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Tauzero
Its hard for me. :o)
332 posted on 07/22/2002 2:54:30 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Tauzero
Wow, good chart. I wonder where it is now, with this big drop the last month?
333 posted on 07/22/2002 2:57:33 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: gcallah
Why would we want to overlook their bashing of Bush? No president has done more to expand government since LBJ. No president has done worse by free trade since Hoover.

I could not disagree more. No President has undergone times like this one, mulitiple problems, and he INHERITED ALL OF them. Thankfully, we are seeing the desperation from the DemoCRAPS, and most Americans GET IT now (8 years of Clinton!!!)

As to your naysaying.. time will tell the truth. But will you be listening? Because apparently you haven't yet!

334 posted on 07/22/2002 3:00:56 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: kinghorse
"President Bush will not get re-elected if our markets stay don't bounce back with vigor. That's a dead certainty.
"

Thank God!
335 posted on 07/22/2002 3:02:05 PM PDT by gcallah
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Um, the government expansion isn't an opinion -- just look at the Federal budget.

And are you saying Clinton forced him to slap a 30% tarriff on steel? To up farm subsidies? Increase the federalization of education?

Folks, it's just a Republicrat in office, not a conservative.
336 posted on 07/22/2002 3:04:19 PM PDT by gcallah
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To: steveegg
Some additioal info

Wells Fargo Sec raised HPL to strong buy on May 17,2002 http://yahoo.smartmoney.com/thedatamine/index.cfm?story=20020620&afl=yahoo

Insider & restricted shareholder transactions reported over the last two years LEPEJIAN, Y. DAVID: Declared Holdings

2002-06-05 -

2002-06-26 *19,500 HPLA Sale at $12.60 - $14.45 per share. (Proceeds of about $264,000) 2002-02-05 -

2002-02-13 *30,000 HPLA Sale at $15.10 - $15.55 per share. (Proceeds of about $460,000) 2002-02-05 -

2002-02-13 *30,000 HPLA Option Exercise at $0.07 per share. (Cost of $2,100)

2001-07-26 *10,219,129 HPLA Statement of Ownership

By Cintra Scott

June 20, 2002

Smartmoney

But would you believe that the most loved stock of them all is actually a tech stock? Yup, chip-testing software maker HPL Technologies (HPLA story=snapshot&symbol=HPLA>) tops our list with seven Strong Buy ratings. HPL was also one of the three repeat survivors mentioned earlier, along with Loews ( a holding company for tobacco, insurance, hotel and oil-drilling businesses, and generic-drug maker Impax Laboratories

337 posted on 07/22/2002 3:05:15 PM PDT by not-alone
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To: steveegg
So, would August 16th be a good day to invest? A couple days after the proverbial stuff hits the fan? And, do you think it will reverse the October factor that people have talked about on this thread? In otherwords, deflate that period of "normal" selling? (that traditionally happens during that period every year) Thanks
338 posted on 07/22/2002 3:09:46 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Dog Gone
What the hell happened to oil stocks today??? Chevron-Texaco and Exxon-Mobil were down almost 7 percent!!! How many billions of market value did that vaporize?

Theories?

339 posted on 07/22/2002 3:10:36 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: steveegg
I hope your dire predictions are off as well.

This CBD is to me simply an exaggeration of what many small businesses like myself occasionally do when it's time for a new bank loan. Of course, we do the opposite when it's property tax appeal time...lol. My dad founded a public company so I know that publicly traded companies should not try to sweep bad news under the rug and hope projections will cover their trail. That is esentially what most of these folks did....in a very big way. Enron and WorldCom paid too much for their never ending acquisitions and ended up hoping cash flow would keep up and it obviously did not. Neither of those companies screwed the pooch in one or two quarters...this was years in the making. AOL has done the same thing but they haven't lied as much about it. That huge goodwill write down a few months ago is evidence they overpaid. Now the question of executives making sweetheart loans and timely options when the house of cards is falling is much more troubling to me ...in fact...it should be criminal.

I agree that the DJ can go to 3000 or so but it will take a combination of events beyond emotive reasoning. I have a friend who is an astute S&P futures trader and he thinks the bottom is around 7K. He's usually right but who knows? We won't know for weeks or even months until after it's happened.

BTW, my family is indeed about 60% in equities portfolio-wise...(un-margined fortunately) so we're feeling the pain. We've been hit with Disney, AllState, AOL and ATT after 9-11 this year. Actually T was on the skids prior to 9-11. Disney and AllState will prevail. AOL may splinter and T may be bought by a profitable babyBell....ironic isn't it? AOL has a fat cash flow and a huge subscriber base....they need to re-organize and get the media folks outta there...it looks like they are doing just that. Still, it will be a long road back for them even in a Bull market.

340 posted on 07/22/2002 3:13:38 PM PDT by wardaddy
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