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Proteins Help Scientists See the Light
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center ^ | July 26, 2002

Posted on 07/26/2002 5:04:20 PM PDT by gcruse

 
Proteins Help Scientists See the Light
Molecules are light-sensitive

FRIDAY, July 26 (HealthScoutNews) -- A newly discovered class of proteins can "see" light, which is helping scientists understand how periods of light and dark affect a living organism's biological clock.

Dartmouth Medical School geneticists say the proteins are revealing how the cellular timekeepers of the circadian rhythm work. The circadian cycles influence sleep, mental alertness, pain sensitivity, body temperature and hormone levels.

The proteins' identification may make possible a genetically engineered drug delivery system to exploit the biological clock, the scientists say.

Jay Dunlap, chairman of genetics, and Dr. Jennifer Loros, a professor of biochemistry, were the first to describe circadian clockwork in Neurospora, a common bread mold.

Allan Froelich, a graduate student with Dunlap and Loros, built on their findings by discovering the light-sensitive clock proteins that affect the activity of certain genes. The proteins have been dubbed "White Collar-1" and "White Collar-2" (WC-1 and WC-2).


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crevo; evolution
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So much for ID's irreducible complexity.
1 posted on 07/26/2002 5:04:20 PM PDT by gcruse
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So much for ID's irreducible complexity.

Huh?

2 posted on 07/26/2002 6:06:48 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy; RightWhale; LibWhacker
An eye is not a quantum leap from something incapable of seeing light. It is not irreducibly complex, a much touted condition of ID.
3 posted on 07/26/2002 7:37:56 PM PDT by gcruse
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That and the whole photosensitive eyespots thing on planarians and other simple critters.
4 posted on 07/26/2002 7:40:28 PM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: gcruse
Light can cause obesity or cancer. Light; tax it or ban it now.
5 posted on 07/26/2002 7:43:33 PM PDT by steveo
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To: gcruse
The skin can sense infrared. It's not focused, but you can tell what direction it's coming from. This is especially noticeable in the winter when you can feel a cars headlights even with your eyes closed and can tell what direction it is coming from. Infrared is just light at a lower frequency.
6 posted on 07/26/2002 8:44:53 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: gcruse
An eye is not a...

The article you post has nothing to do with the eye.

It is about circadian rhythmns in a fungus and how they are regulated by light.

Fungus don't have eyes.

7 posted on 07/26/2002 8:49:45 PM PDT by tallhappy
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You know, of course, that studies have been done proving that we can also sense when someone is behind us looking at us. Eyeballs as IR emitters?
8 posted on 07/26/2002 8:49:51 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: tallhappy
The article you post has nothing to do with the eye.

From such things, eyes developed.

9 posted on 07/26/2002 8:51:15 PM PDT by gcruse
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From such things, eyes developed.

(Chuckling...) tell us more.

Then I will tell you the actual molecule and organism from which the eye is believed to have developed.

10 posted on 07/26/2002 9:11:38 PM PDT by tallhappy
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Then you believe eyes are irreducibly complex? That they could not have evolved to what we have now?
11 posted on 07/26/2002 9:16:46 PM PDT by gcruse
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Then you believe eyes are irreducibly complex?

Huh?

I asked you to tell us more about how these molecules involved in circadian rhythm regulation in fungus led to the development of the eye.

I also said I will respond and tell you about what is actually believed about the development of the eye.

So, please, continue...

12 posted on 07/26/2002 9:23:43 PM PDT by tallhappy
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Let me put it this way.

If proteins can be light sensitive, then I see no way
to truthfully say that the human eye is irreducibly complex.
It could have begun with something similar and evolved
from there.  Obviously, I am no biologist.  My point
has to do with the tenets of intelligent design.  Please
expound on anything you choose, but those are
my thoughts.

13 posted on 07/26/2002 9:32:50 PM PDT by gcruse
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Obviously, I am no biologist.

Obviously. (Your #8 above pretty much proves you have scientific knowledge).

I like you and respect you for being so straightforward. Most buffooons here don't know anything about it but act as if they do.

The related protein for the eye (major protein) is called bacteriorhodopsin. It is in a light sensitive bacterium. It is very closely related to rhodopsin, the protein of the eye that senses light and transduces the light signals to the brain. A variation on these proteins also are part of a big family of proteins involved in many cell communication events, including neural transmission.

Bacteriorhodopsin would be the molecule you mean.

14 posted on 07/26/2002 9:42:56 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: gcruse
And you know this - how?
15 posted on 07/26/2002 9:46:27 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: tallhappy
Ack! Post 8? Okay, I'll take what I can get. Thanks for your response. :)
16 posted on 07/26/2002 9:53:01 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: LiteKeeper
It presents a path by which an eye could develop from proteins, even if, as tallhappy may be suggesting, it comes by way of an assimilated bacterium.
17 posted on 07/26/2002 9:54:33 PM PDT by gcruse
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Your #8 above pretty much proves you have scientific knowledge

Sorry. This should be "Your #8 above pretty much proves you have no scientific knowledge".

And, to follow up. I don't think anyone feels the eye developed by assimilation of that bacteria. But the proteins that sense light are essentially the same in that bacterium and in the eye. But there would be too many steps to consider it an assimilation.

18 posted on 07/27/2002 2:24:25 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Sorry. This should be "Your #8 above pretty
much proves you have no scientific knowledge".

Oh, my.  Well, that snuffs out life of delusion
and a career of engineering.  As for post 8,
I read of a series of experiments that showed
people could tell they were being stared at.
I can't find it again, as it came up during a
search for something else.  I didn't really
believe it either, but hey.  How's the weather
up there?

19 posted on 07/27/2002 9:20:09 AM PDT by gcruse
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I read of a series of experiments that showed people could tell they were being stared at.

I believe that, but the idea the eye is shooting out infrared...?

There are a lot of other possibilities.

And, did they do a comparison to people standing in the same place but with their eyes closed?

20 posted on 07/27/2002 9:38:39 AM PDT by tallhappy
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