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1 posted on 07/27/2002 8:04:41 AM PDT by narses
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2 posted on 07/27/2002 8:05:01 AM PDT by narses
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A slight majority of Americans are philosophically "pro-choice," according to polls by the Gallup organization.

This sentence and the explanation that follows are one of the more blantant examples of pro-abortion spin that I've seen in a long time. When the three choices are 1. abortion always illegal, 2. abortion illegal under certain circumstances, and 3. abortion always legal, even many people in the anti-abortion movement choose the second option. I believe that abortion should be allowed if the pregnancy is a real and serious medical threat to the mother's life or health. I also believe that a woman who is impregnated during rape should not have to carry the baby forced on her by the rapist. However, even with these two exceptions, the laws that I would most favor would prohibit over 95% of all abortions. To say that I am "philosophically pro-choice" is wishful thinking on the part of the pro-abortion crowd.

From other polls, I've heard that Americans are split about half and half on whether abortion is acceptable. Most seem to think that it isn't a good thing no matter what but that it shouldn't be illegal. I think they haven't considered whether the unborn child is a person and whether there are any justifiable grounds for taking that person's life. If more people considered the evidence, I think they would recognize that the unborn child is a person and oppose legalized abortion in almost all cases. I can see how that point gets obscured in the name-calling on both sides, but people need to look at the issue more closely and ignore the personalities.

In either case, the guy who wrote this piece has slanted the issue horribly.

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6 posted on 07/27/2002 8:27:15 AM PDT by WFTR
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BUMP.
12 posted on 07/27/2002 9:57:21 AM PDT by conservative cat
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If the Republicans were smart, they'd take control of the abortion issue by staking an initial position between the status quo and what 50% of the people want. Then as people's attitudes change (and that 50th %'l point shifts) the Republicans would shift their position to the right.

If they did this, they would make pro-choice Democrats look like extremists. Unfortunately, they instead let themselves be painted as people who would willingly see women raped and then forced to birth and raise the rapists' children (I'm not saying the Republicans really are like that, but that they get painted that way).

What Republicans need to publically acknowledge is that not everything that is wrong and abhorrent can be outlawed, and that it would be both foolish and ineffective to push for restrictions that the majority of people wouldn't support, unless or until such time as the majority of people support them. While most Republicans are well aware that there's no possibility of suddenly passing a complete ban on abortion which extends all the way to cover certain contraceptives, there are a significant number of people who vote Democrat out of fear that the Republicans would do precisely that.

15 posted on 07/27/2002 10:24:33 AM PDT by supercat
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I believe that the abortionists have capitalized upon American political apathy when they say that most Americans support abortion rights. I believe closer scrutiny would reveal that, in reality, most Americans are pro-choice, but uncomfortable with making that choice the law of the land.

I, too, was one of those apathetic Americans until I read the autobiography of Ronald Reagan.

Alan Keyes has also helped me to understand that our constitutional republic was founded to protect the powerless (unborn, unable to vote) from the powerful (women who vote). Previous to the creation of our constitution, the powerless had been the poor and the powerful had been the landowner.

Apathetic Americans don't take the time to carefully consider the crime of abortion and how the argument supporting abortion is an argument based upon time. Time, of course, is a creation of man to measure his earthly existance, but God (which 95% of Americans believe in) is eternal, or timeless.

17 posted on 07/27/2002 11:27:07 AM PDT by Nephi
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Women have committed 35 million murders in the past 35 years(so much for sugar and spice). What to do? Do we give the death penalty to 35 million women? Do we give a "life sentence" to 35 million murdering women, costing trillions of dollars to house them in hundreds of thousands of new prisons? It is impossible to punish the murderers in a just way.
21 posted on 07/27/2002 3:48:18 PM PDT by waterstraat
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Let's assume this 25 percent figure is correct. If so, how in the world does this 25 percent prevail in keeping abortion on demand entrenched in the United States? Isn't it also true that more women oppose abortion than do men, but nearly all the women in Congress are abortion boosters.
22 posted on 07/27/2002 3:52:11 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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"Gallup's polling consistently reveals that from 51 percent to 54 percent of Americans believe abortion should be "legal only under certain circumstances" -- while just 25 percent to 27 percent says it should be "legal under any circumstances" and 18 percent to 22 percent that it should be "illegal in all circumstances." Furthermore, these breakdowns in opinion have largely prevailed since the 1970s.

What that means is that status-quo abortion on demand does not reflect the beliefs of 75 percent of Americans,...."

This is technically incorrect. The status-quo, or current rule of law on abortions, is not that abortion is legal under all circumstances. Roe v. Wade clearly recognizes a state's right to protect the potentiality of life after the 2nd trimester.

24 posted on 07/27/2002 7:50:52 PM PDT by MissMillie
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If it's a constitutional right, as the libs contend wrongly, then it doesn't matter how popular it is. Would you like the 2nd Amendment put to a referendum?
35 posted on 07/31/2002 12:09:32 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative
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