F-16s Pursue Unknown Craft Over Region

Washington Post ^ | Saturday, July 27, 2002 | Steve Vogel

[Tennessee_Bob]

At one point, one of my roomies in the barracks worked in avionics. I would come home from work covered in soot and grease and fall into a chair with a beer before hitting the shower. I'd be sitting there dead, and he'd come in complaining about getting dirty at work - and he might have some dirt under his nails. Of course, he had perfect creases in his uniform too - except the seat of his trousers, which for some reason was pretty well polished.

[Tennessee_Bob]

Went down to check my records one day and the records clerk went back to her desk - I could hear her complaining (not real quietly) because "that staff sergeant smells funny."

The best part of it was the colonel who went over to her desk and told her "That's JP-4 and sweat - if you did something besides sit in here all day, you'd probably recognize that that is what makes the airplanes fly."

[Frapster]

Con someone provide a link to a reputable site that does serious UFO investingation....

*cough*

bwahahahaha.... sorry... couldn't keep a straight face on that one.

[ezo4]

beem me up right now! Damit Scotty.

[Saturnalia]

I'm in. I once saw (~8 or so years ago) a pair of orange lights hovering over the tops of two radio towers spaced fairly close together.
Now one of these aerials is directly above the sherrif's office AND
the landing pad for the helicopter. Now I assumed these lights were helicopters burning odd flares or something, as orange is NOT a standard aircraft light
(I live near a flight path marker for the Greater Cincinnati/NK airport).
Then the left light dimmed to half brightness and began moving towards the second orange light. It proceded at constant velocity
(no noticable acceleration period) until it was half-way between the original positions, stopped, then increased in brightness to the original
levels.
Very spooky, considering I saw this in my own neighborhood after dark at @ 13 years of age. I have never heard of anything that would behave like that, and whats more is that other people have reported seeing these orange orbs.
Example here

[Senator Pardek]

Thank you - I felt so lonely!

[Gunrunner2]

Yup. . .will do. . .

[Gunrunner2]

Damned good colonel, I'd say!

[PhilDragoo]

China Reform Monitor No. 449, May 23, 2002
American Foreign Policy Council, Washington, D.C.

May 12

China has replaced Russia as Fidel Castro's main partner for electronic espionage and other activities directed against the United States in the Western hemisphere, NewsMax.Com reports in an article that first appeared in the April 2002 American Legion Magazine. Until recently, Russia paid Castro more than $200 million annually in much-needed hard currency for use of its massive electronic spy station at Lourdes. In a surprise move, however, Russian President Vladimir Putin suddenly withdrew his support and 1,500 advisers from Cuba in the wake of the September 11th attacks on Washington and New York. Now China, which had been building its own spy stations in Cuba, has supplanted the Russians as Castro's primary electronic espionage partner. Beijing has built a sophisticated new signals intelligence complex in Bejucal, Cuba, operating under the cover of Radio China.

In addition to being used for espionage, these installations are reportedly part of a robust cyber-warfare capability Castro is developing. The FCC has stated they are capable of interfering with U.S. communications and air traffic control. In one incident originating in Cuba, the report adds, U.S. officials claim that Chinese operatives sent a message to New York air traffic control replicating U.S. military fight codes and falsely identifying themselves as U.S. military transport planes - a chilling indication of things to come.

~~~

The above to illustrate the current vulnerability to manipulation of communications by terrestrials.

[Momaw Nadon]

In one incident originating in Cuba, the report adds, U.S. officials claim that Chinese operatives sent a message to New York air traffic control replicating U.S. military fight codes and falsely identifying themselves as U.S. military transport planes - a chilling indication of things to come.

Is there any possibility that the "Unknown Craft" that the F-16s were chasing were Chinese in origin?

[Gunrunner2]

Yes, IW (Information Warfare) is very important now.
Offensive and defensive measures require much effort and not the least of which is to update telecommunications laws and to determine, policy wise, if a hack attack is an act of war or a crime, and we need to figure out quickly if the hacker is a Chinese intelligence agency or some 15-yr old kid in an apartment in Moscow.

Quickly:
We have tremendous IW capabilities, we just need the laws to achieve a better understanding of IW and to develop IW doctrine, enhance our military application efforts, and to support civilian initiatives in cyber-defense development.
We can do this by collating information to enhance doctrine development and to exploit military applications.
We can also do this by welcoming civilians by recognizing their contributions to the world of IW.
(Civilians will be a part of cyber-war, bet on it. It may be your ATM machine was jammed up, or your on-line banking squished, but it will happen.)
Therefore, we need to examine IW doctrine initiatives and hardware software development efforts, both military and civilian. Towards that end, we must keep in mind that “We Must Ask Where We Are and Whither We are Tending” (Abraham Lincoln).
So, determining where we are and where we want to go regarding IW is important. Indeed, IW has transformed US national security requirements - we must be able to respond to a full spectrum of crises (lo-to-hi)
Consider: War is normally on sea, land or air. Now, however, “Information” can be (and is) a medium of war.
We have to understand what we are talking about, so here are a few terms.
Information Warfare: Any action that attacks/defends information flow.
Offensive IW: Physical bombing to planting a virus on Internet.
Defensive IW: Physical defenses to anti-virus programs.
As to the threat, consider right now there are, at least, 17-19 Million people w/skills for a cyber attack, and the DoD was “cyber-attacked” about 250,000 times in 1998. (Air Force Mag, Jan 98, War in Cyber-Space).
Who does the attacks?
Local: Recreational hackers, vandals, independent thieves.
Shared: Institutional hackers, organized crime, industrial espionage.
National: Full-Up IW and attacks by foreign governments or terrorists.
And our cyber structure is a “center of gravity” for any attack against the US. This is in line with Liddell Hart’s “Indirect Approach;” i.e., modern/thinking entities avoid attacking directly and focus on less traditional, very critical nodes (CoG’s). This means a cyber-attack is an indirect attack as it goes after our will and ability, not capability to repond. Therefore, the next conflict of any nature is likely to involve “cyber-war.”
And we need to be prepared, as reported in the Air Force magazine earlier cited, a presidential commission found 70% of US economy and infrastructures (banking, water, electrical power, general public services, etc. are vulnerable to cyber-attack. Heck, even the London Times (Friday, 17 April 1998) report William Daley, US Commerce Secretary, as saying “(the) use of the Internet is doubling every 100 Days . . . and computers, consumer electronics, software, telecommunications, satellites and the Internet [are] driving the US economy.” ANd this makes our "information" very valuable and require protection.
Because of this wide-spectrum vulnerability, we need to welcome industry to this issue and work the problem together. You see, when it comes to rapid information-based technology development, commercial industry leads---they are more agile, configured for near instant response to exploit emerging technologies for commercial gain. As John Correll, the editor of Air Force Magazine said, ““For most of their Information Technology needs, the Armed Forces must look to the commercial world.” Indeed, even our US Air Force published this in their Air Force 2020 document, wherein they said, “Development responsibilities for critical technologies and capabilities will move from government toward Industry.”

That’s about all on that subject, for now.

Rest assured that a lot of effort is being put into this subject--behind the scenes, and what I just posted is completely unclassified and open sourced. No secrets compromised.

[Gunrunner2]

>>Is there any possibility that the "Unknown Craft" that the F-16s were chasing were Chinese in origin?<<

ANY possibility?

Yes.

Probability?

No, absolutely not.

[eno_]

If you count every time you are port-scanned, you are cyber-attacked several times per day. That 250,000 times number is brown and smelly, as its provenance would suggest.

Mounting a serious 'sploit against a network that is even moderately well-protected with a firewall and a sysop that knows how to spot unusual stuff in the logs is not for amateurs. High quality attacks (i.e. more than a ping-flood) are very rare.

[eno_]

Do you rember Bush saying that ALL weapons would be used to overthrow Saddam? I think we will see the use of new weapons against Iraq.

[FReepaholic]

>>...I heard Congressman Henry Hyde speak of a new propulsion systems coming in the near future which will break known rules of physics...<<

I would not doubt that those systems are in use NOW.

When they retired the SR-71 many years ago, I figured they had something much better or they wouldn't have retired it.

[ForOurFuture]

Does anyone here believe in UFO's?

Yes, I believe that unidentifiable objects can be seen flying in the air. But, recognizing the context of your question, aye to that as well. I know that for all the reports there has been no legitimate and publicized concrete evidence, but that can easily happen when governments get involved. And then add the astounding list of sightings, many of which are not hoaxed, not reported by nuts, and not blimps, stars, swamp gas, or airplanes, and the sheer variety and enormity of all begins to overwhelm one. At least me.

[stboz]

When they retired the SR-71 many years ago, I figured they had something much better or they wouldn't have retired it.

Yup. My wife's brother-in-law's Dad worked for Pratt-Whitney and was in on the development of the J-58 engine. The Blackbird was/is capable of much, much higher speed than is mentioned. Only problem was/is friction and keeping the crew from becoming Crispy-Critters. SCRAM jet stuff has got to be the cat's meow.

[stboz]

If they could do THIS in the '60s, what can they do now? Credit to Master Sergeant Leland Hayes (USAF ret.) for the picture.

[eno_]

Remember some of the first video out of Afganistan showed spec-ops troops in some kind of hangar deck? I think the black trianges are helicopter-carriers or some kind of exotic troop-carrier. Nobody had anything to say about where the footage was shot. And I don't think we had any carriers within range, yet.

[TruthNtegrity]

Ping!