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Organic Industry’s Thin Skin
Fox News ^ | Friday, July 26, 2002 | Steven Milloy

Posted on 07/28/2002 3:43:54 PM PDT by Apollo

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Whole Foods Market can dish it out, but they sure can

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1 posted on 07/28/2002 3:43:54 PM PDT by Apollo
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To: Apollo
Sounds like ACSH is the "Judicial Watch" of the health food industry: Attacking friend and foe alike in single-minded pursuit of its nebulous agenda.
2 posted on 07/28/2002 4:10:51 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Apollo
More food for thought ...

Employees at many "health" food stores and delis have notoriously poor food handling practices.
3 posted on 07/28/2002 4:29:08 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: Illbay
ACSH is just one more "group" with a lawyer, mailing list, and a fax machine.
4 posted on 07/28/2002 4:33:14 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: Apollo
Whoever wrote this needs to explain why you should not write while on illegal drugs... oh wait... they already did that.

What a bunch of rubbish.... from the author to the characters involved.

5 posted on 07/28/2002 4:36:04 PM PDT by smoking camels
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To: Apollo
Only in a modern, highly developed industrial society do people suddenly have a brain fart and decide they want to go "back" to the good ole days.

There's a reason we invented pesticides, pasteurization and food preservatives. I remember few years back several people died after ingesting unpasteurized apple juice. Yet they nearly killed the Apple industry with the "Alar" scare.

"Natural" ain't always better.

6 posted on 07/28/2002 4:54:47 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Apollo
When you ask these people why thair product is so expensive they just reply that the mainstream food supply is too cheap. I noticed at the local supermart tha the organic section looks untuched by consumers. My feelings are that the grocer has to toss out a lot of expired items and pass on the cost to the real customers.
7 posted on 07/28/2002 6:21:01 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Freedom4US
FIRST NATURAL FOODS MAN.
 
 
 
 
PIZZA THE HUT!!

8 posted on 07/28/2002 6:39:54 PM PDT by Lokibob
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To: oyez
When you ask these people why thair product is so expensive they just reply that the mainstream food supply is too cheap.

They should tell this to adequately fed villagers in India whose parents and/or grandparents frequently went hungry.

9 posted on 07/28/2002 6:40:31 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Apollo
The organic folks get bent out of shape when it's pointed out that they too use pesticides. Organic pesticides that were abandoned decades ago because safer, better ones came along.

Give Him A Break:Stossel Sent To Scaffold For His Taboo Targets
By Michael Fumento
Investor’s Business Daily, August 21, 2000

There's no need to apologize for ABC reporter John Stossel; he's done that. Rather, this is to suggest that he doesn't deserve the fate of Braveheart's William Wallace, whose last vision was of his own entrails.

The brouhaha began with a 20/20 segment aired last February, then shown again in July – "The Food You Eat; Organic Foods May Not Be as Healthy as Consumers Think." The controversy is over one sentence.

Yeah! Give him a break!

"Our tests" on produce, Stossel said, "surprisingly found no pesticide residue on the conventional samples or the organic."

We know now that the test was never done. But was Stossel "lying to the American people," as Environmental Working Group President Ken Cook has declared?

No. The scientists who conducted the tests reported to the show's producer, not to Stossel. They tested for the presence of both the bacterium E. coli and for pesticide residues. But the residue tests were strictly on chicken, not produce.

One needn't possess Einstein's brain to see how information from tester to producer to reporter could get lost.

Further, had Stossel simply stated "there are" tests instead of "our tests," he would have been absolutely correct.

While many people think organic means "no pesticide," nothing could be more wrong. Bugs, fungi, and weeds don't contract with organic farmers to leave their crops alone.

So these farmers rely on "natural" pesticides, such as one made using a bug-killing bacterium called Bt. When Bt is inserted genetically into the plant, the organic farmers scream: "Frankenfood"! But as a spray, it's their most popular insecticide.

Other organic pesticides include such goodies as acid-treated trace minerals(including zinc, boron, copper, manganese), sulfites, sodium nitrate, chlorine washes, sulfur, pyrethrum, pryania, sabadilla, colloidal phosphate, and a 500-year-old rat poison called rotenone.

Do these ever leave residues? How could they not?

"An organic grower, on average, sprays 100 times more natural pesticide per acre than a conventional grower who uses a synthetic pesticide," according to Leonard P. Gianessi of National Center for Food and Agricultural Policy in Washington, D.C.

And no less respected an authority than nutrition expert Jane Brody notes that in "a number of studies in different parts of the country, some so-called organically grown fruits and vegetables had higher pesticide residues than the same foods purchased in a nearby supermarket."

Nevertheless, the residue levels on organic food, as well as non-organic, are usually barely detectable and almost always within government-set tolerances.

As to the E. coli, yes organic crops are commonly fertilized with Ma Nature's manure, crawling with Ma Nature's bacteria.

But is all the Stossel fuss really over a single sentence? Have we forgotten 60 Minutes reporter Ed Bradley did two entire shows attacking Alar, a chemical later declared safe by both the World Health Organization and the Food and Agricultural Organization?

But Stossel's would-be eviscerator Ken Cook stands by Bradley.

What of ABC's own correspondent Cynthia McFadden? She first brought to national attention the lawsuit that formed the basis for the film Erin Brockovich. Her script looked as if Brockovich had written it, tying virtually any illness in Hinkley, California to chromium-6 a utility had leaked into the water.

"According to the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS)," McFadden declared, "chromium-6 can cause diseases of virtually every organ in the body."

Pure prevarication. No branch of the PHS ever made such an assertion.

Yes, Stossel blew it. He was the captain of the ship and responsible for the actions of each crew member. As he noted in his apology, it's especially egregious that the show aired again after ABC had gotten word of the mistake.

But to critics, his real crime is treason. He was once just another crusading television reporter. Then one day he realized that fearmongering and business-bashing are great for ratings, but deceitful and just plain wrong. His real crime was to show that our self-styled saviors are actually self-serving shysters.

The fuss isn't over a sentence, but over a Stossel.

Lord save us from the Luddites.

More power to Stossel, the ACSH, and those like them.

10 posted on 07/28/2002 6:54:02 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: bybybill
ACSH is just one more "group" with a lawyer, mailing list, and a fax machine.

I'll buy that, but I like them anyway.

Two points not mentioned.

One, without pesticides, the plants have to defend themselves. How do they do it? Well, after experiencing serious insect damage, many plants greatly increase their production of chemical poisons to ward off or kill attacking insects. Thus, edible plants protected by pesticides may be slightly safer for humans than those "organically grown."

Two, some fruits and vegetables are extremely difficult to grow without use of fungicides and/or pesticides. This is true of apples and, especially, peaches. (Before the mid-nineteenth century, peach trees only had 2-3 good bearing years, and even this required heroic measures including daily hand-removal of insects.) So what do "organic" farmers do? Answer, they use "organic" poisons which they believe to be safer, without any evidence, due to a prejudice against anything considered artificial.

12 posted on 07/28/2002 6:59:14 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Apollo
Bump.

Puzzle me this. I notice a bottle of "Natural Shampoo" on offer at a local drugstore chain. I was puzzled. I construed the word "Natural" to mean not the opposite of "Preternatural" but the opposite of "Artificial". Since the goods on offer were almost certainly the product of artifice, and by that definition, "Artificial", how was it any more "natural" than Suave at $1.39 /quart? Did they impute Satanic properties to Suave or was it just that they used a different level of artifice? Was 19th century snake oil then "natural" and 20th century penicillin infernally artificial?

The sad thing, the people who need to ask these questions are incapable of forming them.
13 posted on 07/28/2002 7:13:11 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: oyez
At one supermarket I shop at that has an organic produce section: organically grown nectarines - 3.99 a pound .

organic supermarket = supermarkup

14 posted on 07/28/2002 7:21:26 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: Apollo
I always knew all of this organic, Whole Foods stuff was BS. I live around the corner from one of their stores, that opened a couple of years ago. They did $200,000.00 their first day. I live in the touchy feely inner loop area of Houston, and the local fools eat it up. That place is all about the business. They have built a better mousetrap, for ageing baby boomers, and idiot Gen X'ers.
15 posted on 07/28/2002 7:31:08 PM PDT by dix
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Huh?
16 posted on 07/28/2002 8:13:26 PM PDT by oyez
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To: dix
Those people will spend 4 times as much as we do on their food budget while they are gleeful that do not support the corporate food giants(ADM & companies) Funny.
17 posted on 07/28/2002 8:23:18 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Dark Mirage
My parents kept an organic garden for years, but when all their hard work was about to go down the tubes due to the insects, out came the methy parathion and the diazanon. Either way, with or without pesticide, the food tasted just as good.
18 posted on 07/28/2002 8:32:41 PM PDT by oyez
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To: Steve Eisenberg
The "our food is no good and is killing us" bunch never can answer this simple question, How come we are living longer if the food most of us eat is bad for us?
19 posted on 07/28/2002 10:03:45 PM PDT by bybybill
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To: bybybill
If non-organically grown food is so bad, why is about half of the produce sold in Whole Foods stores non-organically grown. (Read the small print on the signs around the produce in their markets--at least half were conventionally produced the last time I checked.)

Another question: why do most Whole Food Markets have that stupid (Non-binding in TX) sign on the door saying no guns are allowed?

Question #3: why do most of the people working in these stores look like freaks?

20 posted on 07/28/2002 10:57:09 PM PDT by basil
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