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Army Prepares To Kill 14 More Programs To Pay For Objective Force
Inside The Army ^ | July 29, 2002 | -- Erin Q. Winograd

Posted on 07/29/2002 6:59:40 AM PDT by TADSLOS

The Army will terminate 14 programs associated with the Legacy Force, including major systems such as the M2A3 Bradley and the M1A2 Abrams System Enhancement Program tank, in its next six-year spending plan, according to defense sources.

The terminations, along with the restructure of six other programs, are necessary to pay for development and fielding of the Objective Force. Maj. Gen. William Bond, director for force development within the office of the G-8, indicated in a recent speech that the Army would reap $12 billion from the changes.

Vice Chief of Staff Gen. John Keane acknowledged in a July 24 meeting with reporters that more program kills are on the way in order to fund fully the Future Combat System between fiscal years 2004 and 2009. According to sources, the Army intends to spend $19.5 billion on FCS across the program objective memorandum.

"We will do what's necessary to fund that program and we will take appropriate risk where we believe we can take appropriate risk," Keane stated. "Does that mean that we will terminate some other programs and restructure some? Yes it does."

The Army last November canceled 18 different efforts and is preparing for the Defense Department-mandated end to the Crusader self-propelled howitzer. Keane declined to name the programs on the service's newest kill list.

According to sources, the two most prominent victims will be the M1A2 SEP and the M2A3 Bradley. The service is moving toward a lighter, more mobile, more agile design, which makes these systems anachronisms. The Army does intend to retain a heavy armor capability in the Counterattack Corps through 2032. However, it will be limited in size, reducing the previous requirement for tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles.

The exact composition of the Counterattack Corps will dictate how many Legacy Force platforms, as they are now called, the Army needs. Sources noted that two designs were under consideration: one with three and one-third divisions and another with two and one-third divisions. If the Army were to select the smaller model, modernization requirements drop significantly.

The Army had planned to end M1A2 SEP procurement in FY-03 but continue upgrading older Abrams already in its inventory to the SEP configuration through the end of FY-04. A separate effort to set M1A1 Abrams tanks back to a zero time, zero miles state, known as the Abrams Integrated Management program, is also under way. The recently completed Army Transformation Campaign Plan includes almost $4 billion between fiscal years 2003 and 2007 for the different pieces of the Abrams program.

Bradley is the battlefield companion piece to Abrams; if the Army ceases tank acquisition, it is only logical to cut off Bradley procurement as well. According to sources, that is just what the service has in mind. The M2A3 Bradley upgrade and recapitalization program was scheduled to run through FY-07. The campaign plan shows $1.9 billion slated for the M2A3 between FY-03 and then.

Interestingly, the funding profiles for Abrams and Bradley in the transformation plan represent increases over projections included in the president's FY-02 budget submission. Abrams actually gained $228.3 million and Bradley monies grew by $94.5 million. However, that bountiful picture, dated June 28, is no longer accurate, sources said.

Bradley is manufactured by United Defense LP, the prime contractor for the soon-to-be-defunct Crusader program. According to sources, the company is very concerned about the prospect of losing another major program. The Abrams is made by General Dynamics Land Systems. Sources indicated the repercussions of its cancellation were less worrisome for GDLS thanks to the Stryker Interim Armored Vehicle contract the firm was awarded last year.

Raytheon will also be hard hit by the cancellations, sources added.

In addition to these two programs, sources expect that 12 others associated with the Legacy Force will be removed from the Army's 2004 to 2009 spending plan. Sources indicated some electronics efforts such as the Improved Target Acquisition System and the Striker command and control vehicle are on the chopping block. The Army will not try to resurrect the Wide Area Munition, which lawmakers killed in the FY-03 budget bills; WAM companion programs Hornet and Raptor are likely dead, too, sources said.

Certain "non-precision" munitions will be excised from the POM, as well. According to sources, the Stinger missile, the Army Tactical Missile System and its Brilliant Anti-Armor submunition (BAT), as well as the regular Multiple Launch Rocket System are likely to be deleted.

The Army Resources Board and Chief of Staff Gen. Eric Shinseki were supposed to be briefed July 25 on the POM. Approval authority for any terminations rests in their hands.

Though sources assert that now is the time to take the risk inherent in canceling so many systems, more kills will still be a bitter pill to swallow. However, according to one official, it is absolutely necessary given the looming, and possibly unprecedented, "bow wave" the service faces between 2007 and 2009. Procurement of the still-theoretical Future Combat System and Comanche will be in full swing as the Army starts fielding Block I of the Objective Force. Yet, what exactly will be in the Objective Force has not been determined. Thus the ultimate price tag for the future Army remains unknown, the source warned.


TOPICS: Announcements; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: transformation; usarmy
Pretty big gamble to take in order to fund the unknown IMO.
1 posted on 07/29/2002 6:59:40 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: TADSLOS
So long as there are human ground troops involved in land warfare. They are gonna want to have armor protection. You're right, this line of thinking doesn't seem to make a whole lote of sense.
2 posted on 07/29/2002 7:41:48 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: TADSLOS
Pretty big gamble to take in order to fund the unknown IMO.

All just to save a measly $12 billion over six years. Meanwhile, agencies like HHD and other "giveaway" programs lose or have stolen more than that in one year, and nobody complains. Well actually, the liberals complain that they need even more money so it can be stolen.

3 posted on 07/29/2002 7:48:37 AM PDT by 300winmag
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To: TADSLOS
'Certain "non-precision" munitions will be excised from the POM, as well. According to sources, the Stinger missile, the Army Tactical Missile System and its Brilliant Anti-Armor submunition (BAT), as well as the regular Multiple Launch Rocket System are likely to be deleted.'

Hmm. So that means MLRS is gone, except for its ATACMS variant.

It seems to me that under the mantra of "transformation", Rumsfeld is transforming the Armed Forces back to the age of attrition warfare - where centralized controllers guided every precision missile and every bomb from afar, and where we basically attrited the enemy through airpower under they surrendered.

It is interesting indeed that every general, every contractor, and every Pentagon bureaucrat has now latched onto the word "transformation" to justify every pie-in-the-sky, whiz-bang, precision weapon out there. It is too bad that the tip of the spear - the groundpounders - are going to see precious little of the new defense dollars.

4 posted on 07/29/2002 7:52:01 AM PDT by fogarty
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To: TADSLOS
Getting rid of tanks = huge, huge, huge, huge mistake.
5 posted on 07/29/2002 1:51:23 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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To: fogarty
As Truman and LBJ found out, war cannot be maintained when entire population cohorts of young men are being maimed or killed. By contrast, this "next generation warfare" suits the District of Criminals' political and economic ends to a tee. Wars will no longer be won or lost. They will just be perpetually fought against the latest enemy du jour.
6 posted on 07/29/2002 2:02:18 PM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: fogarty
So that means MLRS is gone, except for its ATACMS variant.

Back when the news came out about the Crusader cancellation, many people were saying MLRS could do the job better. I guess that won't be the case.

7 posted on 07/29/2002 3:53:38 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: SteamshipTime
Wars will no longer be won or lost. They will just be perpetually fought against the latest enemy du jour.

IOW, no intent on defending against other military forces,
More conversion to a global robo-cop police force.

8 posted on 07/29/2002 3:59:03 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: TADSLOS
This is bad news. This says that the PA&E weenies have won another one. Very surprised that the M2A3 is being cancelled. Heard A1 SEP was going.

All based on "shazzam" briefings. I sure feel safe < /sarcasm>

9 posted on 07/29/2002 4:59:25 PM PDT by sauropod
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To: TADSLOS
And like a dying star (neat new logo, right?) the Army continues to implode upon itself.

Oh well, my all-purpose feel-good Kevlar beret will keep me safe from harm! And it will heat my MRE too!

Patton and Abrams must be spinning in their graves.

You think we'll ever go back to being the thanks-for-your-90-days-service-Marines-now-get-the-hell-out-of-the-way-so-we-can-break-an-enemy-nation's-will kind of war machine? Where we can concentrate on raising and training an ARMY or four?

10 posted on 07/29/2002 5:08:17 PM PDT by ReaganCowboy
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To: ReaganCowboy
We returned from our son's graduation from boot camp at Fort Jackson this past Thursday. The Army is a disaster. My son says he was not trained well -- that merit badges he earned in boy scouts were harder than the exercises he had at boot camp (1/3 to 1/2 of his company were girls). Our family watched in stunned disbelief when the company was called to attention before heading up to their barracks for the evening. Girls were chewing gum, talking, slouching, not listening. Boys were half dancing, singing while their peers were yelling at them to "shut up." My daughters said there is more discipline in their pointe classes (ballet) than they saw in those "soldiers." So there you have it: girls in tutus are more disciplined than the US Army. Who is running the show and are they CRAZY?
11 posted on 07/29/2002 8:55:10 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward
Thanks for your story. That's pretty scary. But you'll be glad to know, I know some middle management personnel at defense contractors with $500,000 houses who just love the New Army!
12 posted on 07/29/2002 10:52:07 PM PDT by StockAyatollah
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To: EverOnward
Ft. Jackson is where the REMF's get their training, so what you saw is what is to be expected of new Army cooks and clerks.

You won't see anything like that at a Ft. Benning graduation. The Infantry is still tightly-wrapped.
14 posted on 07/30/2002 3:50:33 PM PDT by thescourged1
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To: thescourged1
Yes, you are correct. The big secret is that coed basic training has not made it to Fort Benning, Fort Knox or Fort Sill: Infantry, Armor or Artillery.

Our best bet was and is to insist on job specific standards and also that folks assigned to a divisional unit be able to perform as infantry. This would severely limit the ability of most females to get into most positions...but than so what?

15 posted on 07/31/2002 12:23:26 AM PDT by Norwell
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To: TADSLOS
Talk about betting the farm on one roll of a pair of loaded dice!
16 posted on 07/31/2002 12:48:05 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: EverOnward
I graduated from basic at Ft. Jackson 36 years ago in August. It is sad, but the military reflects society...and I guess ours has terminal rot.
17 posted on 07/31/2002 12:51:36 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: Norwell
The big secret is that coed basic training has not made it to Fort Benning, Fort Knox or Fort Sill: Infantry, Armor or Artillery.

Right you are. My son graduated from basic training about 2 years ago at Fort Benning then went to AIT at Ft Bragg. As a retiree of 14 years I was pleasantly surprised to see no women in the ranks at graduation. Made me envious of what lies ahead for him. Hard for an old war horse to take.

SCOUTS OUT!

18 posted on 07/31/2002 12:56:30 PM PDT by ladtx
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To: TADSLOS
Sounds like the Army is trying to be more like the Marine Corps.

This is a mistake, the Army and the Corps serve very different functions. The Army needs those tanks, and the artillery that congress took away.

19 posted on 07/31/2002 4:02:45 PM PDT by LibKill
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