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Research helps dispel marijuana myths
Sober Talk ^ | Thursday, August 1, 2002 | By BECKY CLARK, MSW, CSW

Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

As we endeavor toward a more lucid and informed discussion of substance abuse, let's deconstruct the mystique of marijuana and recognize it for the dangerous drug that it is.

Marijuana is a substance that's worthy of our concern. It is the most prevalent of all illicit drugs used in the country. The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users.


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1 posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
You forgot the 'Extreme Barf, Hurl chunks' alert.
2 posted on 08/01/2002 5:19:10 AM PDT by Pern
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To: Pern
no i didn't

flame on folks
3 posted on 08/01/2002 5:19:53 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Pern
He also left out the jazz music. And the white women consorting with black males.
4 posted on 08/01/2002 5:20:04 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
A 1988 study in the Archives of Surgery found that among 1,023 trauma victims, marijuana had been used by 34.7 percent, alcohol by 33.5.

I find that hard to believe. In fact I would like to know which hospital's emergency room(s) this study is referring to.

5 posted on 08/01/2002 5:21:17 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
Any time an ER patient mentions that he/she has ever smoked marijuana, it is listed as the cause for the visit. They've started to play the same game with tobacco and health problems, which I admit, is kind of fun to watch.

What the WHO doesn't want you to know about cannabis

6 posted on 08/01/2002 5:23:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
In many parts of the country, more people are admitted to treatment for marijuana dependence than for heroin. Clearly, we can take from this that marijuana is, in fact, a dependence-fostering drug, a dependence that an increasing number of people are seeking help to address.

Not so fast, there. There are a lot of reasons why more people would "cite themselves" for marijuana use by entering such a program than admit to heroin use -- and not the least of these is that admitted heroin users will get a whole lot more attention from law enforcement.

Also, there are monetary considerations whose importance is difficult to estimate. The available funds for these programs, their use in prolonging one's employment (if one is under suspicion of having used drugs in the workplace), their treatment by health insurance plans, must all be factored in. No assertion about the current situation can be honestly prefixed with the debate-foreclosing adverb "clearly."

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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7 posted on 08/01/2002 5:25:15 AM PDT by fporretto
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To: BrooklynGOP
Also, the new game in law enforcment is to force some mairjuana law violators into drug treatment (you're given a choice of course, jail time/probation, or treatment). The numbers are inflated, then the Prohbitionists like to pont out that more people are going for treatment.
8 posted on 08/01/2002 5:25:49 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I fly better when I'm stoned.
9 posted on 08/01/2002 5:27:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: BrooklynGOP
Ever heard of "chronic"?
10 posted on 08/01/2002 5:28:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
In many parts of the country, more people are admitted to treatment for marijuana dependence than for heroin. Clearly, we can take from this that marijuana is, in fact, a dependence-fostering drug, a dependence that an increasing number of people are seeking help to address.

I'm not saying that marijuana is harmless, but I wonder if "admitted for treatment" really means court-ordered "treatment" for someone who blew a drug test.

11 posted on 08/01/2002 5:30:36 AM PDT by bleudevil
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To: BrooklynGOP
Here's the abstract of the study. It was done by researchers in Baltimore. Just because 34.7% of patients had marijuana in their systems doesn't mean that marijuana was a direct cause of injury. The authors state nothing about causality.

Arch Surg 1988 Jun;123(6):733-7

Marijuana and alcohol use among 1023 trauma patients. A prospective study.

Soderstrom CA, Trifillis AL, Shankar BS, Clark WE, Cowley RA.

Department of Surgery/Traumatology, Maryland Institute for Emergency Medical Services Systems, Baltimore 21201-1595.

Marijuana use prior to injury was determined prospectively in 1023 patients injured as the result of vehicular (67.6%) and nonvehicular (32.4%) trauma. Most were men (72.8%); most were 30 years of age or younger (58.4%). All were admitted directly from the scene of injury. Serum delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol activity was ascertained using a radioimmunoassay. Activity of 2 ng/mL or more was detected in 34.7% of subjects. Blood alcohol determinations were made in 1006 patients; 33.5% were positive. Marijuana use among vehicular and nonvehicular trauma victims was not significantly different. Marijuana use was higher among those 30 years of age or younger and among men. Vehicular crash victims consumed alcohol more frequently. Use of marijuana and alcohol in combination (16.5%) was highly significant compared with marijuana alone (18.3%), alcohol alone (16.1%), or neither drug (49.1%).

12 posted on 08/01/2002 5:33:03 AM PDT by freedomcrusader
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"The 2000 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse reported that 34 percent of Americans have used marijuana in their lifetime and 5 percent are current users."

I guess the fact that Potheads are in the minority might make it harder to get Marijuana legalized. This is good news!

13 posted on 08/01/2002 5:34:59 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
A perfect example of crap posing as documented research.

The country is filled with marijuana users leading normal, productive lives. Haven't you noticed? Don't you know any? If your answer to either of the above is no then you should focus your attention on other subjects about which you are better informed (if any such exists).

14 posted on 08/01/2002 5:41:48 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"...more people are admitted to treatment for marijuana dependence than for heroin. Clearly, we can take from this that marijuana is, in fact, a dependence-fostering drug, a dependence that an increasing number of people are seeking help to address."

I would like to know how many of the people admitted to treatment for marijuana were court ordered (because they were found in possession) and how many were there due to a true addiction.

Back in my high school drug classes in the 70's we were taught that marijuana was not a physically addictive drug, that it may be psychologically addictive, but not physically...like say alcohol, heroin or coke is.

15 posted on 08/01/2002 5:44:31 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The American Psychiatric Association classifies marijuana as an addictive drug…

I stopped reading here, as this association also claims that homophobia is a disease and homosexuality is a life style choice. Pass the bong, nothing to see here. BTW you would be surprised to find out that most pot smokers are not flaming liberals.

16 posted on 08/01/2002 5:45:24 AM PDT by TightSqueeze
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To: I Love Bush!!!
TCH is TCH, concetration just means smaller quantity same effect.

I believe the problem is that people AREN'T using the smaller quantities. They are using the same size of joint, for example. But getting a lot more THC than they might realize.

18 posted on 08/01/2002 5:49:42 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: sweet_diane
This is "junk science". Very similar to global warming! People with agenda attempt to hold on any number, even falsifies numbers to justify their case. If some wants to smoke weed, let him smoke his brain out, even subsidize the price to below cigarettes! People, it is not as dangerous as cigarettes! Once we take the profit out of drugs, the hole taboo will disappear!
19 posted on 08/01/2002 5:53:57 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The fact that the average age of first use among Americans has dropped, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, from age 20 in 1966 to age 16 as of 1996

demonstrates the remarkable success the drug war is having! Meanwhile in Holland, where marijuana has been de facto legal for 40 years, 1/3 as many people smoke marijuana as here, and the marijuana/coffee shops are filled largely with American tourists. And for this we are spending tens of billions a year and arresting 700,000 people?

In many parts of the country, more people are admitted to treatment for marijuana dependence than for heroin.

If you are arrested for marijuana, they give you a choice: jail or treatment. People aren't exactly seeking help. Since so many people are being arrested for marijuana, because so many people use it, naturally you see some admissions.

20 posted on 08/01/2002 5:58:35 AM PDT by Linda Liberty
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To: philosofy123
If some wants to smoke weed, let him smoke his brain out...

You might have a point.

However, why is it so wrong to point out even potential or possible dangers to people who do so?

Conservatives and libertarians often (validly) say "yes, it is dangerous/unhealty/addictive (see, eg, junk food, tobacco and/or booze), but we feel there is still a right for a person to consume it without government interference."

Why, however, as soon as its POT does the ability to admit it might not be healthy fly out the window?

What are marijuana advocates so afraid of?

21 posted on 08/01/2002 6:00:52 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Wolfie
Any time an ER patient mentions that he/she has ever smoked marijuana, it is listed as the cause for the visit.

And how would you know?

Were you the abused or the abuser?

22 posted on 08/01/2002 6:01:19 AM PDT by A2J
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To: TightSqueeze
"you would be surprised to find out that most pot smokers are not flaming liberals."

I, for one, wouldn't be surprised. Many of the ones I know are pretty darn conservative not only politically, but in their lifestyles.

We have a friend who is a recovering coke addict and has monthly urine tests with a Probation Officer. Coming off coke is a long and difficult process. He once said that if he could only smoke enough to take the 'edge' off it would help so much with sleep etc, but pot is detectable in urine for quite some time while coke clears the system in something like 3 days.

23 posted on 08/01/2002 6:01:19 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: Wolfie
Also, the new game in law enforcment is to force some mairjuana law violators into drug treatment (you're given a choice of course, jail time/probation, or treatment).

Again, how would you know?

24 posted on 08/01/2002 6:02:34 AM PDT by A2J
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To: Wolfie
Any time an ER patient mentions that he/she has ever smoked marijuana, it is listed as the cause for the visit.

Yep; this is the same scam used by Sarah Brady to count 25-year-old gang-bangers as "children killed by guns".

25 posted on 08/01/2002 6:04:56 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: AppyPappy
Ever heard of "chronic"?

Having a hard time making sense out of you response here. Do you mean it is the "chronic" hospital emergency room(s) the study is referring to?

26 posted on 08/01/2002 6:05:25 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Why did you post the source as being Sober Talk when it is the Ithaca Journal?
27 posted on 08/01/2002 6:06:08 AM PDT by Between the Lines
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To: Destructor
Destructor, you stated:

"...Potheads are in the minority might make it harder to get Marijuana legalized."

The 9th amendment of the U.S. Constitution states:

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain RIGHTS, shall NOT be construed to DENY or DISPARAGE others (rights) RETAINED by the PEOPLE."

The framers composed this amendment because they new the essence of freedom, all of the liberties inherent to men and women, were too numerous and personal to list.

The constitution of the U.S. and of the States are designed to protect the liberties of the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

One of our RIGHTS, not enumerated in the constitution, but retained by the people, which shall not be denied or disparaged is the right to ingest the substance of our choice.

You do not want to ingest marijuana, don't that is your choice. Do not use the tyranny of the majority to deny others their right.

I am sure you will be in complete agreement with me and support the constitutional right to ingest the substance of your choice because in the very near future, "they" will be have made your cheeseburger illegal.

28 posted on 08/01/2002 6:06:21 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: Wolfie
He also left out the jazz music. And the white women consorting with black males.

Don't forget-it can also cause severe dampness in the underwear of some government employees,if they're confronted with rational thought while under the influence.

29 posted on 08/01/2002 6:06:38 AM PDT by sawsalimb
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To: William Terrell
"Chronic" is the street name for marijuana. It is popular with the gang-banging crowd
30 posted on 08/01/2002 6:06:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: sweet_diane
Back in my high school drug classes in the 70's we were taught that marijuana was not a physically addictive drug, that it may be psychologically addictive, but not physically...like say alcohol, heroin or coke is.

If you would READ the article you would find that it mentions the fact that marijuana today is far more powerful than it was in your "high school drug classes in the 70's."

Knee-jerk reactions are also indicative of heavy drug use.

31 posted on 08/01/2002 6:06:53 AM PDT by A2J
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To: TightSqueeze
BTW you would be surprised to find out that most pot smokers are not flaming liberals.

And I suppose you have documentation to support your rant?

32 posted on 08/01/2002 6:08:16 AM PDT by A2J
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
However, why is it so wrong to point out even potential or possible dangers to people who do so?

There's nothing wrong with pointing out actual proven or probable dangers (it seems obvious to me that inhaling smoke from burning leaves, whether they are tobacco, cannabis, or dandelions, can't be good for you).

Spreading dishonest and illogical BS like the article at the head of this thread is quite another matter.

33 posted on 08/01/2002 6:09:21 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Between the Lines
Bad cut and paste. Meant to post column and source name.
34 posted on 08/01/2002 6:10:03 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: A2J
And how would you know?

By doing research instead of just making stuff up. You should try it sometime.

35 posted on 08/01/2002 6:10:29 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: philosofy123
This is "junk science". Very similar to global warming! People with agenda attempt to hold on any number, even falsifies numbers to justify their case. If some wants to smoke weed, let him smoke his brain out, even subsidize the price to below cigarettes! People, it is not as dangerous as cigarettes! Once we take the profit out of drugs, the hole taboo will disappear!

And your horrendous lack of grammatical skills is clear evidence that you smoked one too many, my friend.

36 posted on 08/01/2002 6:11:46 AM PDT by A2J
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To: steve-b; A2J
So much for the theory that pot use makes people more mellow. ;-)
37 posted on 08/01/2002 6:11:46 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The actual source is http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20020801/localregional/341157.html.

Yep, this nonsense came from the very mother lode of BS:


38 posted on 08/01/2002 6:13:41 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: BrooklynGOP
If the stat is true, it's just a measure of how widespread use is. There's likely no correlation though between their use and their trauma.
39 posted on 08/01/2002 6:14:39 AM PDT by Paid4This
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To: A2J
"Knee-jerk reactions are also indicative of heavy drug use"

There sure must be lots of heavy drug users on FR then! ROFL!!

I'm sorry A2J, I know you were trying to make the "those who don't think like me are all druggies" point.

and I DID read the article.... sorry, I'm just not swallowing it hook, line and sinker.

40 posted on 08/01/2002 6:14:47 AM PDT by sweet_diane
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To: AppyPappy
"Chronic" is the street name for marijuana.

Oh, that's so 1993.

41 posted on 08/01/2002 6:14:57 AM PDT by FreeTally
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Nothing worong with saying it is bad. I don't somke the stuff because it is expensive, and illegal. The point i am making is WE MUST TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF THE DRUG TRADE. This would make it not so cool to do drugs. Now for example, there are people who get drunk until they cannot walk, after legalizing drugs, I am sure there will be drug heads who are so smashed that they cannot see straight? But at least we can save thousands of black kids who grow up on the trade, and reduce the crime associated with dealers turf protection war.
42 posted on 08/01/2002 6:15:27 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: steve-b
By doing research instead of just making stuff up. You should try it sometime.

If by "research" you mean getting stoned to the point that you are worthless to your family, friends, and employers, then I'm not interested.

And your "research" is documented where?

43 posted on 08/01/2002 6:18:25 AM PDT by A2J
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To: steve-b
Trust me. There are far more pro pot people than anti pot people in Ithaca.

I still find it interesting that the pro pot crowd here is so unwilling to accept or employ standard conservative/libertarian argument that notes the safety of the substance should generally be irrelevant to our right to consume same. Instead, they have a nervous breakdown and claim it's "lies all lies."

You don't see too many conservatives or libertarians trying to argue that tobacco isn't bad for you when the advocate for its continued use. You don't see a lot of posters trying to claim that fatty food is GOOD for you. Or that booze isn't addictive. Instead, they fall back on the perfectly legitimate notion that even if its bad for them it's "their body, their choice" so to speak.

To be candid, I find this unwillingness disturbing. It is almost a tacit admission that, if something IS bad for you, it should be banned.
44 posted on 08/01/2002 6:20:10 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
In contrast to this article, here are THE FACTS
45 posted on 08/01/2002 6:20:49 AM PDT by KDD
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Bad cut and paste. Meant to post column and source name.

Well, hell - that would have saved me some time. If the IJ is agin it, I'm fer it ;)

46 posted on 08/01/2002 6:20:51 AM PDT by general_re
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To: A2J; steve-b; sawsalimb
If you would READ the article you would find that it mentions the fact that marijuana today is far more powerful than it was in your "high school drug classes in the 70's."

Its not af act, its pure myth:

Self-Serving Comparisons: Marijuana Potency

47 posted on 08/01/2002 6:20:59 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
What are marijuana advocates so afraid of?

Using a plant that grows wild all over the Earth, and placed here by God for the use of mankind, to destroy freedoms previously protected by the Constitution, spread corruption in the form of booty among the law enforcement offices and terrorize and suborn innocent and productive Americans.

Every point in the article you posted is either a blatant or contrived lie. If the effect of the plant's use are so obvious and well documented, why lie? What are the anti-cannabis people afraid of?

48 posted on 08/01/2002 6:22:27 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
If there is anything there you do not understand, just ask.
49 posted on 08/01/2002 6:22:32 AM PDT by KDD
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad; Texasforever; billbears
So much for the theory that pot use makes people more mellow.

It's amazing how those who claim that libertarians represent more than anti-drug law idiots can't see that their own integrity goes up in smoke when their golden calf of marijuana is ridiculed.

50 posted on 08/01/2002 6:22:45 AM PDT by A2J
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