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Research helps dispel marijuana myths
Sober Talk ^ | Thursday, August 1, 2002 | By BECKY CLARK, MSW, CSW

Posted on 08/01/2002 5:16:08 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: 4Freedom
Well, who says a Democrat can never get it right?

Rationalize your freedom away, 4freedom. Keep on rationalizing.

801 posted on 08/05/2002 3:30:34 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: 4Freedom
While you're working on that, maybe you can do something about curiousity. That's what gets most of this stuff started is peole being curious. Just think how much better off we'd be if we could find a way to suppress or eliminate curiousity from the human psyche.
802 posted on 08/05/2002 3:32:59 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Freedom4UsAll
Lobotomies for everyone!

Who's going to do the last one?

805 posted on 08/05/2002 3:38:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: 4Freedom
So nobody self medicates using Lortabs or Vicadin? You remember a guy named Brett Favre, don't you?
806 posted on 08/05/2002 3:47:45 PM PDT by jayef
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To: Freedom4UsAll
I think they should be first. It's kind of like using spot remover. The directions always say to try it first somewhere it won't be noticeable.
808 posted on 08/05/2002 4:00:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: rb22982
You still don't understand that you're talking about license, do you?
809 posted on 08/05/2002 4:19:20 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: jayef
No, what I said was that every yahoo that smokes pot is self-medicating.

What is it with you and apples and oranges, anyway?
810 posted on 08/05/2002 4:23:05 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
What? License for what?

Why are you so anti marijuana? Here are the facts of marijuana vs alcohol. Why not rant about making alcohol illegal?

Addictive Qualities of Popular Drugs

Comparing Addictive Qualities of Popular Drugs
Comparing Addictive Qualities of Popular Drugs
(Higher score indicates more serious effect)
Drug Dependence Withdrawal Tolerance Reinforcement Intoxication
Nicotine 6 4 5 3 2
Heroin 5 5 6 5 5
Cocaine 4 3 3 6 4
Alcohol 3 6 4 4 6
Caffeine 2 2 2 1 1
Marijuana 1 1 1 2 3

Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.

Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.

Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.

Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

Source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for NIDA, Reported by Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, Aug. 2, 1994 "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use."

Annual Causes of Death in the United States

Tobacco 430,7001
Alcohol 110,6402
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,0003
Suicide 30,5754
Homicide 18,2725
All Licit & Illicit Drug-Induced Deaths 16,9266
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,6007
Marijuana 08

  1. (Average 1990-1994) According to the US Centers for Disease Control, from the beginning of 1990 through 1994 "2,153,700 deaths (1,393,200 men and 760-400 women; total annual average: 430,700 deaths) were attributed to smoking (19.5% of all deaths)." The CDC notes that "Cigarette smoking remains the leading preventable cause of death in the United States."

    Source:(1996): "Smoking-Attributable Mortality and Years of Potential Life Lost," Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (Atlanta, GA: Centers for Disease Control, 1997), May 23, 1997, Vol. 46, No. 20, p. 449.

  2. According to the federal National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, in 1996 an estimated 110,640 people in the US died due to alcohol.

    Source: "Number of deaths and age-adjusted death rates per 100,000 population for categories of alcohol-related (A-R) mortality, United States and States, 1979-96," National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, from the web at http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/databases/armort01.txt, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001, citing Alcohol Epidemiologic Data System, Saadatmand, F., Stinson, FS, Grant, BF, and Dufour, MC, "Surveillance Report #52: Liver Mortality in the United States, 1970-96" (Rockville, MD: National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, Division of Biometry and Epidemiology, December 1999).

  3. (Average 1982-1998): According to Canadian researchers, approximately 32,000 hospitalized patients (and possibly as many as 106,000) in the USA die each year because of adverse reactions to their prescribed medications.

    Source: Lazarou, J, Pomeranz, BH, Corey, PN, "Incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies," Journal of the American Medical Association (Chicago, IL: American Medical Association, 1998), 1998;279:1200-1205, also letters column, "Adverse Drug Reactions in Hospitalized Patients," JAMA (Chicago, IL: AMA, 1998), Nov. 25, 1998, Vol. 280, No. 20, from the web at http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v280n20/ffull/jlt1125-1.html, last accessed Feb. 12, 2001.

  4. (1998): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 1998, there were a total of 30,575 deaths from suicide in the US.

    Source: Murphy, Sheila L., "Deaths: Final Data for 1998," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 48, No. 11 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, July 24, 2000), Table 10, p. 53, from the web at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvs48_11.pdf .

  5. (1998): The US Centers for Disease Control reports that in 1998, there were a total of 18,272 deaths from homicide in the US.

    Source: Murphy, Sheila L., "Deaths: Final Data for 1998," National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 48, No. 11 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, July 24, 2000), Table 10, p. 53, from the web at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvs48_11.pdf .

  6. (1998): "In 1998 a total of 16,926 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States (Table 20). The category 'drug-induced causes' includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of drugs (legal and illegal use), but also poisoning from medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes accidents, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use. Also excluded are newborn deaths due to mother's drug use." The total number of deaths in the US in 1998 was 2,337,256.

    Source:  Murphy, Sheila L., Centers for Disease Control, "Deaths: Final Data for 1998,", National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 48, No. 11 (Hyattsville, MD: National Center for Health Statistics, July 24, 2000), pp. 1, 10, from the web at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvs48_11.pdf .

  7. (1996): "Each year, use of NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) accounts for an estimated 7,600 deaths and 76,000 hospitalizations in the United States." (NSAIDs include aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, diclofenac, ketoprofen, and tiaprofenic acid.)

    Source: Robyn Tamblyn, PhD; Laeora Berkson, MD, MHPE, FRCPC; W. Dale Jauphinee, MD, FRCPC; David Gayton, MD, PhD, FRCPC; Roland Grad, MD, MSc; Allen Huang, MD, FRCPC; Lisa Isaac, PhD; Peter McLeod, MD, FRCPC; and Linda Snell, MD, MHPE, FRCPC, "Unnecessary Prescribing of NSAIDs and the Management of NSAID-Related Gastropathy in Medical Practice," Annals of Internal Medicine (Washington, DC: American College of Physicians, 1997), September 15, 1997, 127:429-438, from the web at http://www.acponline.org/journals/annals/15sep97/nsaid.htm, last accessed Feb. 14, 2001, citing Fries, JF, "Assessing and understanding patient risk," Scandinavian Journal of Rheumatology Supplement, 1992;92:21-4.

  8. An exhaustive search of the literature finds no deaths induced by marijuana. The US Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN) records instances of drug mentions in medical examiners' reports, and though marijuana is mentioned, it is usually in combination with alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana alone has not been shown to cause an overdose death.

    Source: Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN), available on the web at http://www.samhsa.gov/; also see Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A. Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), available on the web at http://www.nap.edu/html/marimed/; and US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 57.

    Facts I'm sure never bother you though


811 posted on 08/05/2002 4:28:36 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: 4Freedom
Drugs are drugs. Some come in pills, some come in little ziploc baggies. Some are legal, some are not. All can and will be abused. The point is, nobody deserves to be in jail who hasn't committed a crime against another's person or property.
812 posted on 08/05/2002 4:31:44 PM PDT by jayef
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To: 4Freedom
No, what I said was that every yahoo that smokes pot is self-medicating.

What is it with you and apples and oranges, anyway?

What's with you and self-medication? Every yahoo that goes home and wants a couple of beers after a pissy day at work, or gets drunk because his girlfriend left him is self-medicating. Are they supposed to call their doctor and ask permission first?

813 posted on 08/05/2002 4:42:12 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: 4Freedom
Sounds like you cut and pasted from some sight. This doesn't sound like personal experiences.
Please post reputable evidence of your "statements" please.
I have asked that from others before, and have yet to have a reply, but it's worth a shot.
Nice jab there about a loss of contact with reality!
814 posted on 08/05/2002 4:47:36 PM PDT by newcats
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To: newcats
You posted a definition of the word narcotic and I posted a description of marijuana from an AMA medical encyclopedia in rebuttal.

They weren't that different. It seemed to me you were splitting hairs. That was my point.

815 posted on 08/05/2002 7:03:28 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: tacticalogic
"Are they supposed to call their doctor and ask permission first?

We might have a few less heart attacks and save a few livers that way.

Hmmm, prescriptions for alcohol.

Boy, would that change the character of your next night out.

816 posted on 08/05/2002 7:15:01 PM PDT by 4Freedom
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To: 4Freedom
Boy, would that change the character of your next night out.

Wouldn't change mine any, but I bet there's going to be a long line for the pay phone at the bowling alley.

817 posted on 08/05/2002 7:27:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Whilom
It has. "Dry" counties are actually "wet." They can't sell alcohol in supermarkets or convenience stores, but every block has a "club" (even in restaurants) where alcohol is available. The dry-wet argument is actually about who gets to monopolize the trade.

It seems that the law enforcement in those towns either sucks or is corrupt, or you have loopholes in your laws. Now whose fault is that....

It's this failure to adequately protect the public from drunk drivers that convinces many of us that "a little bit legal" won't work with drugs, either. We haven't found a way to protect my grandkids from the use of alcohol by others. We haven't found a way to protect them, even, from the use of tobacco by others. Granted, we can't find ways to protect them from everything in life, but we ought to be able to prevent individuals and groups from claiming a "constitutional" right to deal dope to my grandkids, blow tobacco smoke in their faces, and run over and kill or maim them while driving drunk.

Someone's arguing about their constitutional right to deal drugs to your grandchildren? That sounds like a ton of hyperbole to me, considering that it's still illegal to deal alcohol and tobacco to children. Considering as how you see tobacco and alcohol to be problems, it seems your efforts to stop pot are misguided. Instead, you should be focusing your efforts on banning these substances that allow grown men to kill your grandchildren while driving drunk and allow them to blow tobacco smoke in their faces.

818 posted on 08/05/2002 9:30:00 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Conservative pot smokers are another tale entirely. I don't get the appeal.

Maybe it's because we like the feeling of getting high. No anti-establishment hippie bs, just the pure, simple fact that getting high is relaxing to me.

And I don't understand the appeal of NASCAR either, but millions of people do in this country.....

819 posted on 08/05/2002 9:35:29 PM PDT by Nate505
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