What is Fundamentalism?

Rutgers ^ | 8/8/02 | unknown

[tpaine]

I won't defend his religious views. - Only the points that I posted. - Thanks.

[tpaine]

Maybe a lock on the inside with the key forever lost and a flame thrower pointed at your butt on full blast while worms eat your flesh.
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Maybe. --
But maybe you have some weird views of your own.

[f.Christian]

The founding fathers I believe were interested in wealth--character--virtue...not ideology---hedonism!

[MissAmericanPie]

ROFLOL

[Kyrie]

I see these extreme reactions from self described 'conservative' fundamentalists virtually every day here at FR.

You see comments posted that you interpret as "extreme reactions"--just as the author of this piece interprets fundamentalism as an "extreme reaction." The author attributes this as a reaction to the perceived immorality and complexity of the modern world. You omit any attribution regarding the source of the "reaction." What do you think the "fundamentalists" are "reacting" to?

And neither the author nor you give any evidence that would in any way prove that these actions are indeed "reactions" to anything. Perhaps the truth is exactly what the author says it is (including the correctness of Catholicism) but no evidence is given for his bald assertions. Of course, he is not available to correct this.

You, on the other hand, have the opportunity to give evidence for your claim. Let me ask you again, and I will make my question as specific as possible: What thing or things specifically do you believe that fundamentalists are "reacting" to? And what evidence can you present here that would support the claim that fundamentalism is a "reaction" to those things--or to anything else, for that matter?

I suspect that the truth is a little different. Perhaps the author detests fundamentalism. Perhaps the author thinks that he understands the "flawed origins" of fundamentalism, and that by thus explaining away this phenomenon simply as a reaction of simplistic people, it will become a little less attractive to all right-thinking folks. Perhaps your aims are not that different from the author's. In this case, neither of you would let a little thing like lack of evidence slow you down!

Please, try to say it isn't so. - I wish it wasn't.

I won't say it isn't so, because I have no hard evidence to establish my claim. In case you haven't figured it out yet, it is nearly impossible to obtain unequivocal evidence for claims regarding the reasons for human behavior, both in individuals and in groups. So it comes to this: it is easy to observe what fundamentalists (or libertarians, or whatever group) actually do, but to say why they do them is nothing but conjecture. And when someone such as this author purports to give the reasons for what fundamentalists do, I would suggest (without proof) that it is more likely that he has an agenda to push than it is that he has rare insight into the human condition.

But don't let lack of evidence slow your agenda down. You're clearly on a roll.

[Cleburne]

What irks me are the people who rigidly adhere to the idea that government is not to become involved in certain areas of our life, and are insistent upon a hundred limitations and leave no room for social progress put forward by liberal-minded individuals. They refuse to accept the need for social change, and even if they do, they demand that the government stay out of the proccess. They are obsessed with vague ideas on freedom and liberty, even at the expense of other viewpoints and the greater good of the social order- they refuse to protect people from certain substances in the name of vague "liberty". They seem particularly adherent to an outdated document and the related ideas connected to that document, apparently believing centuries old political beliefs laid down by rich white males can be used to solve the complex social and political problems of our day. < sarcasm >

[tpaine]

Kyrie:
Fundamentalism may oppose the immorality of today's world, and may appear to oppose its complexity, but how does the author expect to establish his claim that fundamentalism is an extreme reaction etc.? --- Perhaps you would be so kind...?
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I see these extreme reactions from self described 'conservative' fundamentalists virtually every day here at FR.
- They defend a states 'right' [Ca.] to prohibit 'assault weapons'.
--- They defend the federal WoDs.
They even defend the silly act of congress that we must call ourselves a nation 'under' God, and rant that we should make an amendment to that effect.
On & on, you can go through most any thread, and get such fundamentalist fervor.

Please, try to say it isn't so. - I wish it wasn't.
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What thing or things specifically do you believe that fundamentalists are "reacting" to? And what evidence can you present here that would support the claim that fundamentalism is a "reaction" to those things--or to anything else, for that matter? Kyrie

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Read my post above. I made specific points on the over-reactions I see every day at FR.
You can't address them or understand them? Sorry bout that.

[tpaine]

What irks me are the people who pay lip service here at FR to the idea that government is not to become involved in certain areas of our life, but are then insistant that government intervene in matters of health [drugs] safety [guns] and 'morals'.
- Rank fundamentalist hypocrisy, imo.

[tpaine]

Fundmentalist bump.
Any comments on hypocrisy, cj?

[Bob J]

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[tpaine]

Fundmentalist bump.

Any comments on hypocrisy, roscoe?

[ColdSteelTalon]

This depends upon what your view of Fundamentalism is...

[tpaine]

This depends upon what your view of Fundamentalism is...
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Exactly. -- Now, - when all men speak well of your view ... Thats the time to get afraid, imo.

[tpaine]

Any fundamentalist 'chat' tonite, Bob?

[Dakmar]

Daks socialist Quote of the Day:

The nation has a whole lot of needs, thanks to the personal irresponsibility which the moral-liberal industries like to foist and proselytize onto everyone else. Any tax on any moral-liberal industry to cover the societal costs of their personal irresponsibility should be seen as a good thing. - Cultural Jihad, discussing espresso taxes HERE

[Bob J]

sorry, too busy with the show!

[Sci Fi Guy]

What kind of MORON thinks that English translations of the Bible must be understood literally?? I am exceedingly fundamentalist, and I have NEVER, EVER heard anyone claim this.

Actually you're misunderstanding what is meant by literal. It is not talking about literal vs. figurative speech. Literal Interpretation means that you are faithful to the author's intended message, not treating it as an allegory where you read into it whatever meaning you wish.

There was a time with the ancient Church where people sought to find allegorical meanings to scripture. So the meaning of a passage, depending on who was reading it, not what the author wrote. Literal interpretation means that we seek to determine the author's intended meaning, by studing the context, and applying the proper rules of grammer to it. We do not ignore metaphor, or symbolism, we attempt to find the author's intended meaning for it, rather than choosing one of our preference.

[Cultural Jihad]

Any comments on hypocrisy, cj?

No, tpaine. You've cornered that market.

[tpaine]

You're the one that wants to tax coffee, 'for the children'.

- THATS 'fundamentalist' hypocrisy.

[Dakmar]

ahem