Forest Service Chief Calls for Controlled Burns, while in Oregon

KGW TV/AP ^ | 09 August 2002 | Jeff Barnard

[hattend]

Rex Holloway, spokesman for the U.S Forest Service, said fire danger works both ways: Some federal land is harmed by poorly managed private land.

Key word is "Some". Hattend, FReeper, says fire danger works both ways: Most private land is harmed by poorly managed federal land.

"There are areas where we do have overstocked stands next to maybe private lands that are not," Holloway said. "But at the same time, we also know where we have just the opposite situation."

"Maybe" private lands? He pulled this attempt at deflection out of his behind.

[Granof8]

The last four miles of Gardner Ridge road and portions of Cate road up the Chetco have been put on pre-evac notice.

A grass fire five miles north of Bandon has closed Highway 101. Traffic is being rerouted over Highway 42S. Cause of fire reported to be vehicle accident.

[Grampa Dave]

Bandon has all of that terrible Gorse growing around it.

Each Gorse plant is the equivalent of a Large Molotov cocktail in flame out put.

A rancher just east of Bodega had an out break of this stuff. Then, he had a close call with a ciggie fire that came close to being a disaster last summer.

Last winter, he went out with a forest service flamethrower between storms and set every Gorse plant on fire. In spite of being soaked with rain and dew, they just blazed and burnt up. The surrounding grass/weeds and brush were so wet, that they didn't burn.

A friend that works just West of his ranch drove by in the morning and watched him setting the Gorse on fire. It was a typical damp and foggy winter day in that area. The gorse burned up.

[Granof8]

The gorse seeds will lay dormant for years. Nasty stuff to get rid of.

[Grampa Dave]

Here is some really interesting reading about the Green Jihadists love affair with fire and how natural fires like lightening fires in Wilderness Areas were great events. That the Druids welcomed this act of nature and would allow it to burn.

Remember this fire started in the former Kalmiopsis area and was a welcomed natural event, a lightening fire!

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Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits

Kalmiopsis Wilderness:

"A area of wilderness....which is protected and managed so as to preserve its natural conditions and which (1) generally appears to have been affected primarily by the forces of nature, with the imprint of man's work substantially unnoticeable..." (Wilderness Act, 1964)


What is a Prescribed Natural Fire?

This term no longer represents a type of fire and has no further use other than in historical descriptions. This term is replaced by Wildland Fire Use.

What is Wildland Fire Use?
The management of naturally ignited (usually lightning) Wildland Fires to accomplish specific prestated resource management objectives in predefined geographic areas outlined in Fire Management Plans. Wildland Fire Use is not to be confused with Fire Use, which is a broader term encompassing more than just Wildland Fires.

Wildland Fire Any nonstructure fire, other than Prescribed Fire, that occurs in the wildland. This term encompasses fires previously called both wildfires and prescribed natural fires.

Fire Use The combination of wildland fire use and prescribed fire application to meet resource objectives.
Wildfire An unwanted wildland fire (this is not a seperate type of fire)

Fire Management Plan A strategic plan that defines a program to manage wildland and and prescribed fires and documents the Fire Management Program in the approved land use plan. The plan is supplemented by operational plans such as preparedness plans, preplanned dispatch plans, prescribed fire plans, and prevention plans.
Prescribed Fire Any fire ignited by management actions to meet specific objectives. A written, aproved prescribed fire plan must exist. This term replaces management ignited prescribed fire.

The specific Resource Management Objectives for the Kalmiopsis Wilderness are:


Maintain the natural ecosystems of the area and allow fire to play its role in those ecosystems.

Reduce the risks and consequences of unwanted wildfire in the Wilderness and adjacent areas.



Frequently Asked Questions

Why did you prepare a Wilderness Fire Management Plan? The Siskiyou National Forest Land Management Plan directed that Wildland Fire Use be implemented for maintaining wilderness values and required that Wilderness Fire Management Direction be developed.

What is a "Natural Fire"? A natural fire is a fire that is started by natural causes. Lightning is the most common cause.

Why is there a need for Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits? The objective of this management program is to use "Nature's" ignitions to further an essential ecological process. Fire is a part of the natural process of the forest, some plants and animals depend on it for their survival and regeneration. The natural forest landscape was developed with periodic fires and many species are adapted to fire.

Will fires be allowed to burn outside the Kalmiopsis Wilderness boundary? At this time fires will be confined to the Kalmiopsis Wilderness. In the future a decision considering the values outside the wilderness and the allocations in the Forest Land Management Plan may be made which will allow Wildland Fire Use, if compatible.

Won't Wildland Fire Use be dangerous for recreationists that are visiting the wilderness? No! The area where a fire is burning will be well signed and the recreationists can enjoy other parts of the wilderness without being threatened by a fire. Safe vantage points will be identified where the recreationists can view the fire and resulting ecological process.

How many fire per year do you expect there to be? Statistically the Kalmiopsis Wilderness has experienced less than one lightning fire per year during a period of fifty years. So less than one per year statistically, yet in reality lightning fires tend to come in groups. It may be possible to have more than one Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits. Many other factors go into the decision to declare a lightning ignition a Wildland Fire Use, such as drought conditions, distance from the wilderness boundary, available resources to manage the fire, regional and national fire situations, available funds and threat to improvements and private property.

Who pays the cost of Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits Management? The costs associated with this management are paid for by a mix of appropriated funds. Emergency Fire Suppression funds will not be used unless a fire is declared a wildfire (an unwanted wildland fire not designated and managed as a prescribed fire and requiring appropriate suppression action).

Will a Human-caused ignition (other than prescribed fire) always be declared an unwanted wildland fire and be extinguished? Yes! Human-caused ignitions will always be declared an unwanted wildland fire and be extinguished using the most cost-effective means than include the protection of the wilderness resource. Persons causing an ignition are liable for the costs associated with the damage and suppression costs. It is not acceptable to use a human-caused ignition as a Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits because of the liability issue and that human-caused ignitions are not natural and are a "trampling of the Wilderness by man".

Is this the same idea that was used for the Yellowstone fires a few years ago? No! After the Yellowstone fires, a National Task Force reviewed what was then called the Prescribed Natural Fire Policy. The result of that review decided to strengthen policies and include an analysis of all wilderness areas to decide the appropriate use of Prescribed Natural Fire. Since then, our knowledge base and tools for using natural fire have increased. The natural fire issue was analysed in the Siskiyou National Forest Land Management Plan and identified that implementing Wildland Fire Use was appropriate.

Will there be Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits in the other wildernesses on the Siskiyou National Forest? Yes! The Siskiyou and Red Buttes Wildernesses are being considered for Wildland Fire Use. The Rogue River National Forest has the lead responsibility for developing the plan for the Red Buttes and the Klamath National Forest has the responsibility for the Siskiyou Wilderness. The Grassy Knob and the Wild Rogue Wildernesses are not being considered at this time but will be in the future. Problems associated with the Grassy Knob and the Wild Rogue are size, adjacent management allocations and private lands threatened with the use of Wildland Fire.

How do you manage an ignition as a Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits? The decision to manage a natural ignition as a Wildland Fire Use is done in three seperate stages. The first considers: time of year, projected weather conditions, dollars, resource availability, risk and location. If the ignition is identified as a potential Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits in the first stage, a second site specific analysis considers in detail: weather, topography, seasonal condition and risk. Once the Forest Supervisor decides to manage the ignition as a Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits, a validation process takes place as often as needed.

Will smoke degrade the visibility in the Kalmiopsis Wilderness, a Class 1 airshed? Smoke from naturally occurring ignitions and wildland fires are exempt from the Clean Air standards. The thinking is that wildland fire is part of the ecosystem.

Will Fires be used as a management tool, for example to improve wildlife habitat, reduce natural debris buildup, provide visual variety, etc? The objective of Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits in wilderness is to allow natural caused fires to play their natural ecological role within the wilderness. This reduces the risk and consequences of a wildfire within or excaping from wilderness. This will produce many benefits including those mentioned in the question.

Why do you allow a fire to burn the wilderness and ruin the beauty? Wilderness is a place where the natural forces dominate the landscape and where human influence does not interfere. Natural fire, lightning, is a natural process that will define the landscape and ecological processes. It is fire that created the beauty and diversity in the first place.

Does Smokey Bear know about Wildland Fire Use for Resource Benefits? Smokey Bear has always had the message "Prevent Wildfire". What Smokey has been telling us is to prevent the human-caused fires. Nine out of 10 ignitions are Human-caused. Lightning is a type of ignition that we cannot prevent. In the wilderness, fire plays an important ecological role in sustaining healthy forest ecosystems.

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Now, does anyone have any questions to why Grampa Dave was saying when this fire first started, "The Floristry Service was standing by outside of the Wilderness Area and letting it burn as per their directives."

Does anyone have any doubt that the Green Jihadists are more dangerous to Americans than their buddies the al Qaeda Terrorists. Archie Bunker labeled these Green Jihadists as al Qaeda tree huggers. He was right on target.

[Grampa Dave]

Would you go to this link and download this data re the Kalmiopsis Wilderness and their love affair with lightening or natural fires on your spare hard disk.

I have a feeling that this will disappear like that other data you downloaded, did indeed disappear. (Kalmiopsis Wilderness Natural Fire Agenda Plan/tactics)

Auntb, you are interested in this. This is clear and clean and without the troublesome PDF files. Please show this to your friends who are concerned about these so called natural fire agendas. I have bookmarked it on my computer for future references.

[Grampa Dave]

I off line for awhile. Please post any up dates or comments about this Green Jihadist fire that has consumed the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

Then spend a few minutes reading about their natural fire agenda for this former wilderness area. (Link to Green Arsonists Kalmiopsis Wilderness Agenda)

Just make sure that you don't have any hammers or sharp objects near you when you read about their burning agenda:

Symbol of Green Jihadist Arsonists!

[AuntB]

You are the best!!! That wind was whipping up last night...it made it nice here and got some smoke out, but we knew those fires would just roar. I want to go up there so bad...but I'd be down with poison oak for a year!

[Grampa Dave]

One of the worse cases of poison oak I ever got in Kali was being down wind of a small fire that was burning in some oaks and a big patch of Poison Oak. I was miserable and had to get a steroid shot and a followup with oral steroids.

So what do you think of this link: (Link to the Burn Baby Burn Agenda in our wilderness areas)

This is the logo of the Green Jihadist, who believe in Rural Cleansing with "Natural Fire" Green Jehadists's Rural Cleansing Tool

[Granof8]

Were you acquainted with Mike Fitzgerald, a former Curry County Commissioner, now deceased, who attempted to educate the public about the enviro agenda?

[Grampa Dave]

No, I just heard about Mike. He was a man before his time re reality of the enviros. For 20 years, if you dared to question anything that they did locally, state wide, regionally or nationwide, you became the bad person.

This is why we need Ebuck's bumper sticker for us and others who are out spoke.

If a hundred thousand conservative Oregonians put those stickers on their pickups, suvs and gave away 5 to friends and relatives, the image of the envirals would be downgraded with all of the fires.

Ebuck, time to repost your sticker thingie!

[Grampa Dave]

A lurker friend, emailed this interesting quote by a dirt firster 1994.

It is very timely and relevant with the fires and all that the Green Jihadists are trying to do to our country and us:

"Monkey-wrenching is more than just sabotage, and you’re goddamn right, it’s revolutionary! This is jihad, pal. Everything, every assumption, every institution needs to be challenged. Now! Go out and get them suckers, fill them full of steel..." Ruckus Society co-founder Mike Roselle, in The Earth First! Journal, December 1994/January 1995

Look at that date December 1994, and this Green Dirt First Terrorist was pushing Jihad when most Americans barely knew the word.

It was probably not accident that he used the word Jihad. Makes one wonder how much of Dirt First's funding came from the Opecker Princes.

This is the logo of the Green Jihadists, who believe in Rural Cleansing with "Natural Fire" Green Jehadists's Rural Cleansing Tool

[Salvation]

"The most important thing we can do in a good part of the West is doing some thinning and reintroduce fire back into these fire-dependent ecosystems in a controlled manner," Bosworth said.

Bumpo. And maybe they will even allow road-building and the re-introduction of logging into the Oregon economy.

OK, I can dream, can't I?

[Grampa Dave]

With those remarks, you are dreaming or having fantasies.

[Grampa Dave]

Here is that weird greenish NOAH image of the fire that was once the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

That is one huge Rural Cleansing aka natural fire courtesy of the Green Jihadist's Wilderness agendas.

[Granof8]

Florence Fire
Friday, August 98, 2002 9:30 am (their typo)
Fire Information Center: (541) 592-1029

331,375 acres

Area % Contained Cost Personnel
Entire Fire 20% $32.7 million 5,434
Zone 1 15% $22.3 million 2,452
Total Florence Fire
Location: 26 miles southwest of Grants Pass, Ore., on the Siskiyou National Forest within the Kalmiopsis Wilderness. Fire Line to Build: 141 miles
Start: July 13, 2002 Cause: Lightning Expected Containment: Unknown
Resources: 149 crews (26 Type 1, 123 Type 2), 41 helicopters (16 Type 1, 12 Type 2, 13 Type 3), 174 engines, 81 dozers, 66 water tenders.
Zone 1
Location: Zone 1 of the Florence Fire is, in general, runs east from Silver Peak and encompasses much of the north flank of the fire, and includes the entire east flank down to the Oregon-California border.
Fire Line to Build: 46 miles
Resources: 68 crews (11 Type 1, 57 Type 2), 17 helicopters (8 Type 1, 4 Type 2, 5 Type 3), 108 engines, 46 dozers, 34 water tenders
Structures Threatened: 3,400 residences, 250 commercial properties, 2,200 outbuildings
Structures Destroyed: 4 residences, 8 outbuildings
What’s New: Most of today’s attention is on the southeast portion of the Florence Fire, southwest of the community of O’Brien, in the Whiskey Creek drainage. The fire crossed the line in this area yesterday afternoon and burned 240 acres outside of the primary fire line. It did not cross the secondary fire line. A new section of primary fire line has been established around the “slopover” and firefighters are putting out all fires in that area.
A burnout operation along the north flank in the Indian Flat area went well, and mop up is taking place in the Indigo Prairie region. Mop up is progressing deeper into the fire’s interior along the east flank.
The fire is exhibiting extreme behavior due to higher temperatures, very low humidity and occasionally strong winds out of the north-northeast. However, this behavior was expected, and the fire has not made any unexpected moves. Fire managers are pleased with progress being made on fire line construction, burnout, holding and mop up operations throughout Zone 1, yet they have alerted firefighters to be extra cautious.
Three minor injuries occurred Thursday – a lower back injury, a cut suffered from a falling tree branch, and a firefighter who was transported off the fire line after complaining of chest pains. Overall, the number of injuries has been low and Florence Fire personnel have an excellent safety record.
Pacific Northwest National Incident Management Team 2
Mike Lohrey, Incident Commander

[tubebender]

Been gone for a few days to Redding to hone our skills at reentering the stock market by doing a little gambling at a couple of casinos over there. We viewed three previous wildfires over hiway 299, the Megan fire of a few years ago, also last years fire that burned into the town of Weaverville Ca and could have destroyed the entire town. On the way home we took a tour of Lewiston below Trinity Dam where the Fly fishers were catching some very large flies. (how many of those flies can you keep Grampa?)The Lewiston fire of two years ago that was the result of a disastrous "controlled burn" set by some green horn USFS flunky.without adequate backup under extreme weather conditions. We thought Lewiston was a goner but the locals prevailed. The Weaverville landscape is a horrible thing to see as the enviros stopped salvage logging and all you see is burned fir and pine trees. A few areas were cleared and replanted and they are showing sings of rebirth. Many hones have been rebuilt west of town but they seem out of place among the snags.

[dixiechick2000]

"...enjoy the grand kids, NaNa DCMM."

Believe it or not, I had the day "off".LOL
I was busy all day running errands (I don't have the time the rest of the week), but managed to fit in a luncheon featuring Gen. Barry McCaffery as the speaker. He was awesome!

Thanks for the pings to other parts of the thread, Gramps!

[dixiechick2000]

Oh, I forgot to tell you something that had me smiling all afternoon. As I was driving today, I saw a truck that had a computer printed sign taped inside the back window that said

LET THE TREE HUGGERS FIGHT THE FOREST FIRES!

I found myself LOL for at least a mile! That kind of thing is rarely seen in these parts. That doesn't mean the sentiment isn't there, of course.

[dixiechick2000]

I've been meaning to say "thank you" for all of your updates.

THANK YOU!

;o)