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Neo-Conservatives are not Conservatives
Sierra Times ^ | August 12, 2002 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 08/12/2002 5:48:59 AM PDT by sauropod

Neo-Conservatives are not Conservatives

By Jeff Adams
Published 08. 8. 02 at 21:29 Sierra Time

Several years ago, I noticed the term "neo-conservative" come into frequent use. I have grown to hate this word because it gives people who bear the term false credentials as true conservatives.

To me, true conservatives fit the description of what used to be called the "Old Right." These "new conservatives" present nothing that reflects the ideas of the "Old Right," or traditional conservatism. Neo-conservatives see nothing wrong with big, centralized government, as long as they, the neo-conservatives, are in charge instead of liberal Democrats. That's like saying, "It would be okay if America was ruled by a dictator, as long as I was the dictator, because I would surely be a benevolent dictator." But you can't count on the next guy to be benevolent. It's asinine.

There is a saying: "Conservatives never conserved anything." In most ways the saying is true. Leading neo-conservatives of today have very moderate stances when it comes to traditional values concerning marriage, sexual mores, immigration, taxation, property rights, limited government, and religion. These people claim to be leaders in the conservative faction of politics. Quite frankly, if you were to put their views and ideas on paper and lay them beside the views and ideas of a liberal Democrat, you would have a hard time telling which ideas were the liberal Democrat's and which came from the neo-conservatives.

Neo-conservatives are in reality neo-socialists, for they cloak their big government socialism in the ideas of big business and they believe that big, centralized government is okay as long as "conservatives" run it. They are the front men for large corporations. They tout capitalism, but in reality they are advocates of mercantilism. This is a close cousin to the state-controlled economies of communist countries. Yes, those economies: the ones that all failed miserably.

What we have in neo-conservatives is a bunch of liberals who are "pretenders to the throne" of conservatism. Real conservatism is actually traditionalism. In that sense, I am not a conservative, but a traditionalist. A "Southern Traditionalist" to be exact. I cling to the ideals and values of our colonial forefathers, and the people of the South who dared stand against Lincoln and the forces of centralization and mercantilism. These new false conservatives can mouth their platitudes and claim to be for tradition all they want. But when their kind continues to expand federal power, to limit our freedoms and liberties, and to accept as normal the perversions that go on in our society, they had best keep in mind that traditionalists like myself see through this façade, and we have had enough. Our numbers are growing, and we no longer believe we have to vote for false conservatives as the "lesser of two evils."

The loud booming voices of neo-conservatism are false prophets. It is like the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. Pull back the curtain of neo-conservatism and you will see not a conservative, but a socialist. Is it any wonder that many of today's noted neo-conservatives are "former" leftists of the 1960's, or had parents who were members of the Communist Party, USA? Don't two of the Republican's big "conservatives," Orin Hatch of Utah and John McCain of Arizona, spend much of their time "in bed" with Ted Kennedy? When Mississippi's "conservative" Trent Lott was majority leader in the U.S. Senate, did he push a conservative agenda? (The answer, of course, is a very loud "NO.") What has the "arch-conservative" John Ashcroft done since becoming Attorney General? With his help, we are headed toward a police state.

Off hand, the only real conservative, or traditionalist, I see on the national scene is Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. People like him deserve our support. The socialists in neo-conservative clothing need to be spurned. I would rather "throw my vote away" on an independent or third-party candidate and sleep well at night because I didn't contribute to the continuing downfall of our lost republic by voting for a neo-conservative/socialist, than choose "the lesser of two evils" and know that I voted into office someone who was going to go for my wallet and stab me in the back as if he were a common street mugger.

Neo-conservatives are really neo-socialists. True conservatives/traditionalists should denounce these frauds. Just as the original definition of the word "liberal" no longer applies in our society, "conservative" doesn't mean what it used to, not when it comes out of the mouths of the political phonies that man the barricades of the Republican Party. I'm not a neo-conservative, or even a conservative. They've ruined that word. I am a Traditionalist. I hope all who love their freedom, fear God, and know what we have lost, will step up and put on the Traditionalist mantle to help separate themselves from the pretenders who think we will vote for them this election year because they believe we have nowhere else to turn.

© 2002 SierraTimes.com (unless otherwise noted)


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To: habs4ever
You have judged me all wrong.Dole was no neo con.He was an old fashoned Ike/Rockefeller Pubby, a loyal party hack, an ace trimmer.But don't try to con me that the Paleos were responsible for Reagan's tax cut ideas in 1980, or his defense buildup, or his rhetorical assault against the Evil Empire.Or his belief in the Shining City on the Hill.I know very well which policies Reagan ran on and was successful and he didn't need the paleos.

Conventional conservatives aren't strong on defense and smaller government aka tax cuts? Conveentional conservatives weren't rabidly anti communist? Reagan didn't make wide & extensive use the Christian Coalition's network to win in 80 & 84?

In what parallel reality do you reside?

Reagan transformed the Republican Party into the party of growth,strength and optimism...three winning things that the Paleos will NEVER deliver.

Mere slogans. Though RR was certainly good at turning a phrase thank goodness he had the goods (principles) to back them up.

161 posted on 08/12/2002 1:08:02 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: habs4ever
You may live..that is the purpose.You may live..that is the purpose.

I suppose it's moot that I would be living with a gooberment microscope up my a$$ or else get sent to the re-education camps so I could be "adjusted" to be a good little citizen? As long as I was "living"... but what kind of life is it where you can't tell the Muslim Talibunnies from the Dem_GOP Talibunnies?

163 posted on 08/12/2002 1:11:33 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: sauropod
Spot on. Thanks for the ping.
164 posted on 08/12/2002 1:14:33 PM PDT by usconservative
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To: sauropod
Ron Paul is more of a paleo-libertarian. "Paleo-con" is a euphemism for "grumpy".
165 posted on 08/12/2002 1:14:58 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: dead
Around here, the operating definition of “neo-conservative”seems to be - anyone who had the audacity to not vote for Pat Buchanan.

After watching Buchanan WILLINGLY participate in a discussion about Anna Nicole Smith's new television show, I would say MANY of Bucky's Boys would be heading for the hills, hiding their heads in shame. And if they aren't........they SHOULD be!

Needless to say, it was NOT an earth-shattering CONSERVATIVE (the REAL CONSERVATIVE, don'tcha know) discussion. It wasn't even NEO-conservative. It was inane, pulp, trash. He had every opportunity to decry the garbage.....but chose, instead, to participate in the attempt to give the subject legitimacy.

166 posted on 08/12/2002 1:17:27 PM PDT by justshe
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To: habs4ever
Dole was no neo con.He was an old fashoned Ike/Rockefeller Pubby, a loyal party hack, an ace trimmer.But don't try to con me that the Paleos were responsible for Reagan's tax cut ideas in 1980, or his defense buildup, or his rhetorical assault against the Evil Empire.Or his belief in the Shining City on the Hill.I know very well which policies Reagan ran on and was successful and he didn't need the paleos.

OMG, you know calling leftists "liberals" instead of what they really are hasnt helped or worked except in favor of the leftists. Argue the points and stay away from these labels is best.

When someone refers to a neo-con I always thought of a moderate republican but why refer to them as a neo-con anyway? Anyway the paleo - neo labels are leaving me with the feeling that I cant really know for certain what anyone is talking about when they are used.

I think we can all agree that moderate republicans are worthless. Hope that helps.

167 posted on 08/12/2002 1:29:08 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: rdb3
To name two others who might qualify:

Clarence Thomas and Ronald Reagan.
168 posted on 08/12/2002 1:29:19 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Cincinatus
Ronald Reagan was a "neo-conservative"...And Ronald Reagan was a better "conservative" than any paleocon nitwit that ever lived

Agreed, Reagan wasn't some paleo-Herbert Hoover-style conservative. Some are angry that no paleo-Warren Harding/Herbert Hoover conservatives could get elected today, but I have no problem with Reagan style neo-conservatives.

BTW, the left has the same debate, the liberal base in this country are angry at the "new Democrats" and the "Third Way" politics. They think they have been sold out and want Paul Wellstone or Ralph Nader to be president - everybody else knows it will never happen.

169 posted on 08/12/2002 1:41:49 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: hchutch
Precisely. Like I've said numerous times before, I stand amongst great company.
170 posted on 08/12/2002 1:42:46 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: billbears
Look at the Republicans of today and compare them to the Republicans of 20 or even 40 years ago.

Yeah well, 40 years ago most blacks didn't vote. Today they vote almost completely en banc for Democrats. In other words, the Democrats got handed roughly 11 percent points on average in the nation. (I'm in no way wanting to take anyway anyone's voting rights.) Just stating facts. You can't act like the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the New Deal, the Great Society, and the New Frontier never happen. Would you rather the GOP nominate Herbert Hoover's ghost and lose every single election?

171 posted on 08/12/2002 1:53:25 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: skeeter
You think the paleos are conventional conservatives? Sure thing.If they were, there would be MORE of them, they would dominate the party, their Congressional candidates would be in office.Oh yeah, they are so conventional.

Nice chatting with you.Enjoy that pure air where you reside.
172 posted on 08/12/2002 1:54:47 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: rdb3
If I escaped the mental plantation of the RATS, what makes anyone think that I'm going to enslave my mind yet again to another ideology?

Dude, that was a gret post.

173 posted on 08/12/2002 1:57:43 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: habs4ever
Nice chatting with you.Enjoy that pure air where you reside.

Yes, I think its best we conclude this discussion, since you obviously have no idea what "paleo" means.

174 posted on 08/12/2002 2:00:58 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: general_re; habs4ever; rdb3
When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.' "If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

Ronald Reagan, from his autobiography, An American Life

176 posted on 08/12/2002 2:05:53 PM PDT by afuturegovernor
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To: afuturegovernor
It seems to me that the long-term advantage will go to whichever party can hold together the longest before having a massive fragmentation.

It could be that just holding on could give us an advantage in packing the courts with good conservative judges. At that point, we may be able to begin rolling back a lot of the stuff the left has done via that mechanism.
177 posted on 08/12/2002 2:09:45 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: afuturegovernor
Such simple, yet effective logic from Uncle Ron. Too bad it goes over a lot the Right's heads.
178 posted on 08/12/2002 2:14:56 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Tropoljac
Sure, that's exactly what you meant calling them Bolsheviks.Uh huh.I looked it up in my dog eared Oxford Dictionary and it didn't in any "literal translation" mean a minority faction.You ought to brush up on your English usage.
179 posted on 08/12/2002 2:26:48 PM PDT by habs4ever
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