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Rumors about this refusal have surfacing for weeks.

The Kali Floristry Circus Clowns posing as Forestry Service People have a lot of questions to answer with this revelation.

This is the same Bravo Sierra stuff that Lars Larson discussed with the owner of the Helicopter Service chartered to fight the fires in SW Oregon.

It appears that the Floristry Circus Clowns posing as foresters, really love the rural cleansing effect of natural fires!

1 posted on 08/16/2002 10:10:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: tubebender; fish hawk; Granof8; AuntB; Archie Bunker on steroids; EBUCK
I had a feeling that this had happened in the early stages of this fire.

If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.
2 posted on 08/16/2002 10:14:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: madfly; farmfriend; WaterDragon; backhoe; Ernest_at_the_Beach
If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.
3 posted on 08/16/2002 10:16:05 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: BOBTHENAILER; CedarDave; AAABEST; sauropod; countrydummy; Tailgunner Joe
If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.
4 posted on 08/16/2002 10:17:24 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
The federal government fights fires with "the dialog."

It's the process that matters, and only the devine processors are qualified to make and implement policies and procedures by which only they will "do something about it."

We, on the other hand, are to fulfill what is expected of us:

On election day, show up and vote. Otherwise, leave "the nation's business" to the like-minded, politically correct, echo-chamber ensemblies.

7 posted on 08/16/2002 10:30:56 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Grampa Dave
"Galloway said his reports mention no managers' names or offices where the decisions originated from."

The managers in their offices are a HUGE part of the problem. They go to college for four years and are indoctrinated into the left-wing socialist school of Geaia, then they think they know more tabout forestry than the guys with years of field experience. It's the same all over the country, and the entire USFS needs to THIN OUT these morons. They do almost nothing but damage.

In NY State, Hubby's doing a difficult job on a steep side hill, which was started and abandoned by someone else. The mistakes made by the guys who started and quit have made a difficult job into a real nightmare to a guy with twenty years of forestry experience.

Along comes this rep from the Western NY office of the USFS. Hubby described him as a "snot nosed brat" who looked about 14. Snot Nose proceded to lecture Hubby, a former Hotshot, on how to prevent forest fires. Hubby tried to take it in good grace...until Snot Nose seemed skeptical about Hubby's many certifications.

It turned into an argument, though Hubby did get to meet Snot Nose's boss...another former firefighter who was at Yellowstone with Hubby.

Snot Nose didn't take it well...he went back to his office and proceded to call the DEC and tell them there was dirt and bark on the bridge across the creek, and that they should some out and look and make Hubby get out with a broom and sweep the debris off the bridge after every single trip, because rain might wash the dirt and bark from the bridge and "contaminate his river"...as if dirt and debris from a steep hillside has never washed into the river.

The DEC did come...they also told Hubby who had called and said Snot Nose has done this before. They did NOT make him weep off the bridge after every trip across.

These morons are everywhere...and they need to be FIRED. PERIOD.

11 posted on 08/16/2002 10:48:03 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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We cannot let them successfully cover up the Democrats and bureaucrats ineptitude and unconcern for these fires. Kitzhaber is demanding tons more federal money. That is the Democrat response to every problem THEY create!

New fire reported in Mount Jefferson Wilderness

Detroit - The Forest Service is reporting a new wildfire in the Mount Jefferson Wilderness north of Marion Lake and Three Fingered Jack. The fire is reported today at about 100 acres. Officials don't know the cause...(snip)LINK to story

Biscuit Fire forces evacuation of Oak Flats.

Grants Pass - Residents of about 30 homes south of Agness were ordered to evacuate Thursday evening as Biscuit Fire flames came within a mile of the neighborhoods of Oak Flats and Spud Road...(snip)

Link to story

16 posted on 08/16/2002 11:27:02 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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To: Grampa Dave; First_Salute
I heard this rumor a couple of weeks ago and dismissed it.

Coordination is an unheard of, unpracticed, unsuccessful technique when initiated amongst federal agencies. Their qualifications for success are so far below private levels that we call them 'A Complete Failure".

I wonder who is going to manage the sewage spouted at this late September meeting? Why hasn't the EPA been notified?

The fires won't be out by then so I view this as a chance to get their lies in line to cover their sorry asses when the final investigation comes. Someone is going to want to know why they spent $100 million dollars when it could have been done for $10,000.

20 posted on 08/16/2002 11:53:07 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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ping
21 posted on 08/16/2002 11:54:28 AM PDT by madfly
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To: Grampa Dave
There is a new fire on the Hoopa Valley Indian Reservation. It is the 250th fire set up there this year. Has been going on for years and usually just burns the underbrush. It was at 400 acres last nite. Please don't turn this into a bashing thread as the indians did this burning every year before the great white father starting puttting out every fire they came across and the brush accumulated to the conditions of today.
27 posted on 08/16/2002 12:23:05 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Grampa Dave
Why is it that management thinks it knows better than the people who actually do the work whether or not the work can be done? I've seen this phenomenon both in industry and in education. Now, it may be true that management would know better than the ones who actually do the work whether one way versus another will cost more, but how much has this fire cost beyond what it would have cost to maybe put it out at the less than 100 acre stage?
28 posted on 08/16/2002 12:28:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Grampa Dave
Amazing. This makes me so mad! URH!!

BTW it says in this article that this fire has reached almost 400,000 acres. Last I heard of the total damage in Oregon, it was the same as this fire alone. Does this mean that over 800,000 acres have burned so far in Oregon?

32 posted on 08/16/2002 1:45:18 PM PDT by Democratic_Machiavelli
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To: Grampa Dave
Operational Significant Event Imagery - pictures of fire from space

A really big pic. Click to go there.

39 posted on 08/16/2002 10:27:32 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Grampa Dave
The government shouldn't own or manage this land to begin with.
45 posted on 08/17/2002 8:00:07 AM PDT by gitmo
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To: Grampa Dave
bump
48 posted on 08/17/2002 9:14:51 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Grampa Dave
Civil Service laws only insure the retention of the incompetent and the hiring of political hacks.

Indiana enjoyed patronage system operation of the BMV for many years, but it was taken over by state employees to "stop corruption and favoritism" . Now the agency loses more money every year, has more employees and they are RUDE, knowing they cannot be fired.

52 posted on 08/17/2002 3:34:38 PM PDT by hoosierham
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