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Free Republic | August 18, 2002 | Auntie Mame

Posted on 08/18/2002 5:18:22 PM PDT by Auntie Mame

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To: Auntie Mame; Slip18
We couldn't make the meeting, either. We had to hit the road....

Fortunately, Miss Slippy hit a Poker machine on the way to hitting the road.

241 posted on 08/20/2002 7:57:16 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: Slip18
I also was not comfortable w/ the rule that men cannot talk about abortion because they "do not have credibility." 'Pod
242 posted on 08/20/2002 7:59:16 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: strela
Did I mention "use repetition?"

Basic strategy of public speaking. Break speech into three parts:

Opening = Tell'em what you're gonna say!
Message = Say it!
Conclusion = Tell'em what you said!

243 posted on 08/20/2002 8:00:47 AM PDT by TheRightGuy
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To: sauropod
Well, men can talk about abortion, but he was just saying that all the liberals would have to do to damage your credibility would be to simply put a woman up against you.

'Tain't fair, to be sure, but life isn't often "fair".

244 posted on 08/20/2002 8:02:05 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: sauropod
I also was not comfortable w/ the rule that men cannot talk about abortion because they "do not have credibility."

Were we both at the same conference? Where did you get this "rule" stuff?

245 posted on 08/20/2002 8:02:13 AM PDT by Auntie Mame
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To: Slip18
You took great notes!

Kind of you to say. Writer by trade, remember? ;)

Networking/Developing Contacts

"Commandments:

- Hang out with successful people.
- Develop a database with factoids about your contacts.

Recommended Books on the Art of Networking

Hardball by Chris Matthews
The Path to Power by Robert Caro
Dig Your Well Before You're Thirsty by Harvey Mackay

246 posted on 08/20/2002 8:03:07 AM PDT by strela
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To: sauropod
'Pod, I really don't want to go into the abortion thing here. BTW, I'm a Pro-Lifer.

I think what the intent of that message was if you have a man and a woman debating the abortion issue, the hand tips naturally to the woman. It doesn't mean the woman will always win the debate.

If you have two men debating abortion, it's a fair debate.

247 posted on 08/20/2002 8:03:25 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: Slip18
Lay off Askel5. She is a tremendous person. 'Pod
248 posted on 08/20/2002 8:05:42 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: Slip18
Lay off Askel5. She is a tremendous person. 'Pod
249 posted on 08/20/2002 8:05:54 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: Saundra Duffy
re: post # 119. Yes it is. For life, 'Pod
250 posted on 08/20/2002 8:06:45 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: sauropod
Askel may be a fine person, but she's been around here long enough to know what threads are appropriate for battle.
251 posted on 08/20/2002 8:09:19 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: TheRightGuy
Break speech into three parts

Keerect. Those are also the 3 cardinal rules for technical writers (those and making the typeface on the published document large enough to read without having to use a magnifying glass). Not everyone who buys our products is 19 and has 20/20 vision.

252 posted on 08/20/2002 8:09:28 AM PDT by strela
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To: Cyber Liberty; Auntie Mame
CL, credibility is earned. Auntie Mame, Matt did not say it was a hard and fast rule but he did say that for most folks, credibility is imparted to a speaker on abortion because if she had not "been there and done that" she could be.

I reject that line of reasoning. Why? See my comment to CL. 'Pod

253 posted on 08/20/2002 8:20:51 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: Slip18
I think what the intent of that message was if you have a man and a woman debating the abortion issue, the hand tips naturally to the woman. It doesn't mean the woman will always win the debate. If you have two men debating abortion, it's a fair debate.

I am a sexist, pure and simple. I know for a fact that in each fertilized egg -- at the moment of conception -- is laid out the natural division of labor by which it is the male's purview to provide for and shelter the new life while it is the woman's realm to organize the child. No doubt they have different roles in life as a rule.

But to place the accidents of their personality regarding sex above their essential human nature -- their intellect, reason, apprehension of reality and expected obedience to truth -- is not only dead wrong but a patent conceit of the left who uses exactly these strictly emotional and subjective arguments to rake the debate always in their favor.

Thus, I find your statement above to be an utterly offensive and inherently leftist/deathist bit of propaganda.

The notion that one's sex organs add something substantive to one's appreciation or defense of the Right to Life is an absurd piece of nonsense used as leverage for Deathist propaganda which wouldn't stand on its own merits in debate otherwise. "It's my body." B/S It's the body you don't want born you're killing.

The fact I've been pregnant, contemplated abortion, called around to clinics, gone through the adoption process and miscarried anyway may afford me the experience, empathy and insight necessary to be of good counsel to a woman in the same predicament but it has no particular bearing whatsoever on my appreciation of the right to life.

In fact, it's that experience which is quite likely to make me weak-willed ... tempting me to relent and sympathize with a woman in a terrible position rather than offer her with all due love and tact a steady defense of her unborn child's life.

It's the dispassionate, exacting and objective arguments of men that have honed my thinking and made my defense of the right to life a consistent one. Women NEED men for this very reason. Fathers MUST assert their right to defend the lives of their unborn children. It's letting "women decide women's issues" that has resulted in our horrific Culture of Death whose Clean Hands have now compromised our "Excess" already-been-killed Children by legitimizing their use for taxpayer-funded humanitarian research.

I wanted to give all the information I had which we learned in this fantastic meeting. But I can't and I won't.

Aw, gee whiz. Did you stamp your little foot as you typed that or just let a tear or two roll down your cheek?

The comment was absolutely inexcusable and indicative of just how compromised is the so-called "conservative" movement.

You're just going to have to forgive us for feeling we probably didn't miss much if this guy leaves it to the wimmen (like pro-aborts Barbara Bush and Laura Bush, perhaps?) to make the argument for the Universal, God-given, inalienable Right to Life which precedes all others.


254 posted on 08/20/2002 8:26:32 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Harrison Bergeron
It is important that we know what you said en toto

To emulate Carville and Begala for their enthusiasm is fine. Carefully studying them as opponents is necessary. But to say we have something positive in the way of "tactics" to learn from such dissembling Marxist demagogues stretches the bounds of credibility. The only salient tactic that they display was likely learned, as most FReepers have already concluded, by studying Goebbels and Geuring - repeat a lie until it becomes accepted as truth. These men do not serve at the pleasure of a left leaning media because of any ingenious tactics or brilliant insight.

Because therein lies the rub. You contradicted yourself about Carville and Begala from the first sentence and the last. Why study them and their enthusiasm if they have no "ingenious tactics or brilliant insight"?

As for my comment about Hitler and Naziism, I merely took issue with your statement about Guering, deriving from it that you think historical figures like Guering, Hitler, and Mussolini (sp?) (evil leftists) have in no way a tactic or ability that we could use to promote our moral political stances. We, as conservatives, obviously don't want the same outcomes as these moral monsters, but their ability to sway millions should not be overlooked. It is the same for Carville, Begala, Clinton x 2, Gore, Gephardt, Lieberman, Daschle, et al.

255 posted on 08/20/2002 8:27:08 AM PDT by RedWing9
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To: Cyber Liberty
she's been around here long enough to know what threads are appropriate for battle.

Oh ... I'm to know better than to seize on Muth's inherently leftist advice as -- where the Right to Life is concerned -- he hands out water guns with which to combat the cannon balls of the Deathists?

256 posted on 08/20/2002 8:28:13 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Are you intentionally trying to divert this thread from its original topic?

If not, please open a new thread containing your many and compelling observations on the abortion issue and quit spamming us here.

If so, please be honest enough to say so openly so I can hit 'abuse'...

257 posted on 08/20/2002 8:32:05 AM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: Harrison Bergeron
Does it surprise you in the least that we are looking to the slogans and agit-prop of fascists, national socialists and communists for "sending a message" these days?

Not that we haven't been doing it for years, of course, but it is interesting watching everyone embrace the idea as a "winner".

258 posted on 08/20/2002 8:32:11 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
** plonk **

(Sure wish JimRob would get the FR killfile working for real, but this'll have to do for now)

260 posted on 08/20/2002 8:37:44 AM PDT by strela
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