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Surveillance cameras will 'patrol' city
The State ^ | 8/22/02 | JEFF WILKINSON

Posted on 08/22/2002 11:52:27 AM PDT by PJeffQ

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To: Elsie
 an ordinance governing how the cameras are used, if needed.  (1)

City manager Leona Plaugh said those areas don't represent high-crime areas(2)

...they were effective in deterring crime or catching criminals(3)

"Once we assess the effectiveness of these cameras, we can begin putting them in other areas(4)

"But they are a minority. I don't see those arguments as valid(5)," Hiltner said

...and we need to treat that neighborhood with a higher standard (6)



Heil Hiltner!!!

1. "Them pesky people are STILL worried that this'll be misused.  I assure them: it won't"

2. Why not: why are they here, then?  (oh, see #3)

3. database image matching

4. Big Brother wants to be everywhere: to PROTECT you, of course.

5. Phooey on your right to privacy!

6. "...some are more equal than others......."  Animal Farm - George Orwell


21 posted on 08/22/2002 2:36:23 PM PDT by Elsie
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they need some cameras around USC.. University of Southern California
22 posted on 08/22/2002 2:41:40 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod
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To: PJeffQ
The UK has invested millions in survelliance cameras for urban areas over the past few years.

One only need to observe the rapidly rising crime rate to evaluate how effective it has been.

Just one of the many web pages about the issue: http://tash.gn.apc.org/cctv.htm

23 posted on 08/22/2002 3:57:14 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: PJeffQ
But he said if they were effective in deterring crime or catching criminals, City Council might decide later to place more of them in other parts of the city.

"Once we assess the effectiveness of these cameras, we can begin putting them in other areas," he said.

Ummm...if they aren't effective they will be removed, right? Yeah, right. [roll eyes]

24 posted on 08/22/2002 4:07:24 PM PDT by hattend
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To: PJeffQ
"They would observe just as you or I would if we were standing on a street corner," he said. "It's just like a news photographer taking a picture on a public street."

Wonder what their attitude would be toward a citizens group, on public streets, recording the comings, goings, etc. of the city council and police departments?

25 posted on 08/22/2002 4:59:38 PM PDT by templar
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To: joyful1
Will not adopting biometrics and survellience security guarantee another 9/11. Yes.

How? Better photography of the planes crashing into the WTC? Personally, I thought the video coverage of the event was quite good enough.

26 posted on 08/22/2002 5:17:45 PM PDT by templar
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To: TC Rider
... but you will be able to buy a copy of the video of you snapping off that double tap into the guy who trys to rob you.

Out of curiosity, is open or concealed carry legal in the cities where these types of surveilance devices are being installed? Most of the places I've noticed these things going on seem to be really anti self defence, especially with guns.

More likely that double tap photo will be given to you free at your trials, one in the criminal trial and one in the civil suit by your attacker or his survivors.

27 posted on 08/22/2002 5:23:49 PM PDT by templar
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To: joyful1
You got it bass ackwards.
Adopting biometrics and survellience secuity will ensure a 1984 nightmare.
Adopting all the biometrics and survellience security in the world will not deter another 9/11 event.
28 posted on 08/22/2002 5:25:14 PM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: templar
More likely that double tap photo will be given to you free at your trials, one in the criminal trial and one in the civil suit by your attacker or his survivors.

Better judged by 12, than carried by 6.

29 posted on 08/22/2002 8:21:23 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: PJeffQ
Learn what this kind of system's spy cameras look like (exclusive photos)!
30 posted on 08/22/2002 8:59:44 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: Wm Bach
The arguments against biometric/survellience make as much nonsense as the arguments against gun ownership. Both are necessary tools for law enforcement and protection. We need the best protection available today. Polls show overwhelming support (demand) for this technolgy

Bob Barr was the biggest outspoken opponent of biometric/survellience in Congress. He lost big time. So will others who oppose it. Libetarians will say Barr lost because he is against drug abuse. I don't think so. You guys make good points, but will not win on this issue.

31 posted on 08/23/2002 5:53:47 AM PDT by joyful1
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To: templar
Wonder what their attitude would be toward a citizens group, on public streets, recording the comings, goings, etc. of the city council and police departments?

Easy! You're a stalker! ....and we have LAWS against that!

The Gov't CAN'T stalk: it merely collects information.

32 posted on 08/23/2002 6:03:32 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Teacher317
"As long as you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear." Grrr. Sorry, but I'm just not that anxious to welcome 1984. People really need to

DITTO!...give the government an inch, they will take 800 miles!

33 posted on 08/23/2002 7:44:42 AM PDT by timestax
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To: joyful1
also it will let Big Brother watch YOU & your FAMILY! and SNOOP into LAWFUL, but un-appreciated activities of peaceful citizens!

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34 posted on 08/23/2002 9:27:12 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Black Agnes
!!!!!!

free the southland,sw

35 posted on 08/23/2002 9:27:51 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: joyful1
it will eventually cause BOTH 1984 & 9-11. given the left's wish to control everything, do you TRUST a bunch of un-elected bureaucrats with your LIBERTY?

free dixie NOW,sw

36 posted on 08/23/2002 9:29:46 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Orion
WELL SAID!

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37 posted on 08/23/2002 9:31:22 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: PJeffQ; Pistias
Bet a couple can be swung toward a womens dorm or two.
38 posted on 08/23/2002 9:44:44 AM PDT by wattsmag2
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To: unixfox
Two words:
Paintball gun.
39 posted on 08/23/2002 9:47:35 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: PJeffQ
Was the prosecutor murdered, or was he assassinated?
40 posted on 08/23/2002 9:53:43 AM PDT by FenianOfEire
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