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To: pittsburgh gop guy
"And the killer irony is that many firefighters smoke. We would joke after a job when we were back at the station cleaning the gear (and they were smoking) that the products of combustion from most fires are not as lethal as cigarette smoke.

As you well know, smoke from fires, as opposed to hot gas, or the fire itself, accounts for a large amount of fire fatalities. No one ever died from cigarette smoke. Although it has been a couple of years since I reviewed the literature on second hand smoke. The cruel experiments would pipe the equivalent of the smoke of thousands of cigarettes a day, for months into rats, and I believe, dogs lungs via intubation. Nada. Nothing. The researchers wanted to get a graph of respiratory cancers rates in relation to side stream cig smoke. For example, more cigs, more cancer, less cigs less cancer. Even with rodents especially breed to get cancer, no one has been able to induce it under any circumstances. Hence the honest statement that there is no safe level of second hand smoke. There is also no unsafe level either, since no cancers could be manufactured under any circumstances.

Lastly, everything is toxic and fatal, to include water and oxygen. It is just a matter of dose. It isn't the substances that makes the poison, it is the amount.

One other thing, what is this "civilian" bit. What are you in the Marine Corps? If you are not in the military, you're a civilian. And don't give me that "I'm in a paramilitary organization." That is like para-pregant. Yachts clubs have legal characters and have captains and admirals, never the less they’re still like everyone else, citizens.

265 posted on 08/24/2002 2:04:59 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
"One other thing, what is this "civilian" bit. What are you in the Marine Corps? "

Not in the Marines yet, hopefully I will be come January.

By civilian I think they are not including the deaths of firefighters who respond to the fatal fires. NFPA's terminology - not mine - take up your gripe with them.

http://www.nfpa.org/Research/OneStopDataShop/OneStopDataShop.asp#leading - and click on "See more information about the leading causes of fires "

Enjoy the following on second hand smoke - which has a lot of bad stuff in it that I do not want to be exposed to. I am off to run 10 miles. See ya!

http://www.repace.com/fact_exp.html
Secondhand Smoke Exposure
SHS is a complex mixture of gas and particle-phase chemicals generated during the burning and smoking of tobacco products (CalEPA, 1997). Chemicals present in SHS include irritants and systemic toxicants such as hydrogen cyanide and sulfur dioxide, mutagens and carcinogens such as benzo(a)pyrene, formaldehyde and 4-aminobiphenyl, and reproductive toxicants such as nicotine, cadmium, and carbon monoxide (CalEPA, 1997). Many SHS constituents have been identified as hazardous by state, federal, and international agencies. To date, over 50 compounds in tobacco smoke have been identified as carcinogens and six as developmental or reproductive toxicants by the State of California. Table 2 shows 43 known or suspected carcinogens in tobacco smoke identified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC, 1987).

266 posted on 08/24/2002 2:21:40 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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