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To: Leisler
"One other thing, what is this "civilian" bit. What are you in the Marine Corps? "

Not in the Marines yet, hopefully I will be come January.

By civilian I think they are not including the deaths of firefighters who respond to the fatal fires. NFPA's terminology - not mine - take up your gripe with them.

http://www.nfpa.org/Research/OneStopDataShop/OneStopDataShop.asp#leading - and click on "See more information about the leading causes of fires "

Enjoy the following on second hand smoke - which has a lot of bad stuff in it that I do not want to be exposed to. I am off to run 10 miles. See ya!

http://www.repace.com/fact_exp.html
Secondhand Smoke Exposure
SHS is a complex mixture of gas and particle-phase chemicals generated during the burning and smoking of tobacco products (CalEPA, 1997). Chemicals present in SHS include irritants and systemic toxicants such as hydrogen cyanide and sulfur dioxide, mutagens and carcinogens such as benzo(a)pyrene, formaldehyde and 4-aminobiphenyl, and reproductive toxicants such as nicotine, cadmium, and carbon monoxide (CalEPA, 1997). Many SHS constituents have been identified as hazardous by state, federal, and international agencies. To date, over 50 compounds in tobacco smoke have been identified as carcinogens and six as developmental or reproductive toxicants by the State of California. Table 2 shows 43 known or suspected carcinogens in tobacco smoke identified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC, 1987).

266 posted on 08/24/2002 2:21:40 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
CalEPA has health warning on bags of washed playbox sand. That should give you an idea of how wacky they are. But health nazis being unfit, and scared, and sickly to work in a real job have to work somewhere.

Well, let say on your run you don't encounter any 2ndSmoke. I will say that will have breathed in 10 or more thousands of known cancerous compounds.

And especially, if you want to avoid cellular mutagenic chemicals, do not eat vegetables. They are a trove of toxins.

Seriously, don't make physically contact with any person or any mammals. Each and every day, more and more virus are being discovered as the cause of cancer. Adding H. pylori, that make bacteria cancer causing.

Oh, and barbecues and their smoke are aromatic hydrocarbons. This includes the charred bits on the meat, and would included any roasted, fried, baked meats. Baked, fried, toasted wheat products. And while your in the Corps, bobbing around in a Navy ship, please tell the Gunny that they paints, oil, fluids and solvents are right then and there, which they will, assaulting your mitochondria. This will also include the chlorine bath the salt air will give you. Well, I could go on.

268 posted on 08/24/2002 3:07:20 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Secondhand Smoke Exposure
SHS is a complex mixture of gas and particle-phase chemicals generated during the burning and smoking of tobacco products (CalEPA, 1997). Chemicals present in SHS include irritants and systemic toxicants such as hydrogen cyanide and sulfur dioxide, mutagens and carcinogens such as benzo(a)pyrene, formaldehyde and 4-aminobiphenyl, and reproductive toxicants such as nicotine, cadmium, and carbon monoxide (CalEPA, 1997). Many SHS constituents have been identified as hazardous by state, federal, and international agencies. To date, over 50 compounds in tobacco smoke have been identified as carcinogens and six as developmental or reproductive toxicants by the State of California. Table 2 shows 43 known or suspected carcinogens in tobacco smoke identified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC, 1987).

Oh for heaven's sake. Where did you get that garbage.

Here's a op-ed I wrote for the paper awhile back:

Don’t swallow that food while you’re dining out

In response to the letter by Paul L. Perito, chairman and president, Star Scientific Inc: Cigarettes and cigarette smoke contain a multitude of toxic chemicals, according to anti-smoking zealots. Therefore, the public must be protected from evil smokers who would threaten the health of nonsmoking men, women and children in places like restaurants and bars.

But what exactly are those helpless victims eating and drinking in their smoke-free, toxic-free non-smoking section of the restaurant? You might be surprised. Holding your breath while you eat might protect you from toxic secondhand smoke, but don’t swallow that food!

Everybody likes roast turkey, especially when the whole family is around the table. Hope they like heterocyclic amines, too. Nothing goes better with turkey than some bread stuffing ethyl alcohol, benzo(a)pyrene, ethyl carbamate, furan derivatives, furfural, dihydrazines, d-limonene, psoralens, quercetin glycosides and safrole. Nothing says “Happy Holidays” like cranberry sauce, unless it’s the furan derivatives that go with it.

How about some prime rib of beef with parsley sauce? Use lots of ketchup unless you have a taste for heterocyclic amines and psoralens. How about some broccoli spears? The allyl isothiocyanate ought to kill the taste. Who doesn’t like a nice baked potato? Can’t have too much ethyl alcohol and caffeic acid, I suppose. Perhaps you prefer a sweet potato instead. You’ll still get your dose of ethyl alcohol, but with a shot of furfural to boot. No meal is complete without rolls and butter. Or the ethyl alcohol, benzo(a)pyrene, ethyl carbamate, furan derivatives and furfural that come with it.

Save room for dessert pumpkin pie is good, even with the benzo(a)pyrene, coumarin and safrole inside. Apple pie is my favorite, though I’d rather not think about the acetaldehyde, caffeic acid, coumarin, estragole, ethyl alcohol, quercetin glycoside and safrole that go with it. Fresh apples, pears, grapes or mangos? They’re always good, even with the acetaldehyde, benzaldehyde, caffeic acid, d-limonene, estragole and quercetin glycosides. Anybody else need a drink after all that?

If you drink enough red wine, you won’t notice the ethyl alcohol and ethyl carbamate. If you drink so much that it’s time for a cup of coffee, the benzo(a)pyrene, benzaldehyde, benzene, benzofuran, caffeic acid, catechol, 1,2,5,6-dibenz(a)anthracene, d-limonene, ethyl benzene, furan, furfural, hydrogen peroxide and hydroquinone might do you some good. Or not. If tea is more to your liking, you might need some sugar to mask the taste of the benzo(a)pyrene and quercetin glycosides.

And for you health-conscious types who prefer only herbal teas, have some symphytine with your comfrey tea. Or some benzyl acetate with your jasmine tea. A cigarette might taste good after all that.

271 posted on 08/24/2002 3:40:28 PM PDT by SheLion
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
PUUULEEEEZE! Not REPACE!!! ANYONE BUT REPACE!!!!

gop guy, Repace is a certifiable lunatic. I know, I know, he bills himself as the "world's leading expert on secondhand smoke," and he used to work for the EPA, but that's only part of the Repace story.

When he worked for the EPA, even though the entire agency was smokefree, he claimed there were "toxins" in the air that made him sick. He demanded, and got, permission to work at home. On occasion, though, he was required to come into EPA headquarters for meetings, etc., and he wore a GAS MASK. He also sued EPA for those imaginary toxins causing his illnesses--which it turns out were all in his head. He lost.

This is the guy who says with a straight face that it would take winds of 300 mph to clear smoke from a room. At one meeting I attended, he upped that figure to 700 mph!! Just saw a special on Hurricane Andrew, one of the 3 worst hurricanes ever experienced here in the US, and the strongest gusts recorded were right at 200 mph. Repace also believes molecules of tobacco smoke hang around and jump out and attack those who enter the room where people have smoked in the past month or even longer. Will you PLEASE use your common sense??? Please?

FYI, the paragraph you quote uses the CalEPA report for its justification. The CalEPA report was based almost exclusively on the US EPA report which was a total farce and has been invalidated by a federal judge. It's also deceptive.

OSHA says the amount of toxins found in shs seldom if ever reach the necessary level to be considered dangerous. Toxicologists have proven that it would take THOUSANDS of cigarettes burning simultaneously in an UNVENTILATED room to reach permissible levels of ALL those things he mentions. The dose makes the poison. That's why the arsenic in your drinking water or the salt on your food won't kill you.

You have been bamboozled, dude, by a well-funded, very slick bunch of snake oil pitchmen and you've swallowed it whole. It's fine if you don't want to be "exposed to" environmental tobacco smoke and there's no reason in this day and age you ever should be. Just stay out of smoker-friendly places and you need never smell tobacco smoke. Just realize that it's not because it will harm you, it's because you don't like it.

273 posted on 08/24/2002 7:08:17 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
I am off to run 10 miles. See ya!

Oh dear, watch out for those car fumes, they will kill you.

275 posted on 08/24/2002 8:32:20 PM PDT by Great Dane
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