Burton's panel finds links to foreigners in Oklahoma blast [McVeigh Linked to Saddam!]

Indianapolis Star ^ | 8/25/2002 | James Patterson

[ex-Texan]

The Government Reform Committee, chaired by Rep. Dan Burton of Indiana, was back sniffing around Oklahoma City last week looking for reasons to believe that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols had help.

They found plenty. Committee lawyer Marc Chretien interviewed at least six people who claimed to have seen McVeigh keeping company with foreign-looking men in the days, even minutes, before the bombing on April 19, 1995.

[Axenolith]

Kinda like 9/11 saved Dubyas,eh?

Oh yea, that 80+% approval rating would have been all of 68% without airplanes whacking the trade center... gee, he really was saved...

[stimulate]

You've lost me. Mc Veigh was given a death sentence by a jury not by Ashcroft.

What did you want Ashcroft to do after Mc Veigh was sentenced?

[rwfromkansas]

People work with usual enemies if they share a common goal. Besides, even if that is not the reason, McVeigh could have changed and turned in support of Iraq after the war. His writings express compassion for Iraq.

Thus, just because he went to war quite a few years before the bombing does not mean he couldn't have been connected with Iraq in the operation.

[smoking camels]

he got banned and tried coming back under a different name and got banned again... see posts 117 and 118. They were to me and they are gone.

[smoking camels]

I was right.

[usconservative]

If it is true ..... why was it, and who, covered it up?

Who was it that sat in the Oval office at the time, and who's sole focus was on propping up the Economy due to their complete lack of any foreign policy experience and a weak FP team? Who was it that came out within days and blamed OKC on the "vast right wing conspiracy", and Rush Limbaugh specifically?

There's your answer.

[smoking camels]

Goodbye!

[PA Engineer]

Besides this orchestrated campaign I recall that legislation was also immediately submitted that in part called for weapons registration and confiscation. Can any Freepers help me out with this?

[Chemnitz]

I wonder about that truck blowing up the building and making the floors pancake. I am no explosives expert, but that seems extremely odd for an explosion out in the open.

Secondly, the Clinton people said the administration was in deep trouble until Oklahoma City. Does that prove something? I don't know, but Clinton was able to turn the disaster into a major benefit for him.

Thirdly, Clinton liked to play the compassionate president but he never visited the WTC after the first bombing.

I can't put it all together because I do not think we will ever know all the facts. It troubles me when there is such an effort to wrap things up and declare no evidence was found. It reminds me of too many events: Pearl Harbor, various assasinations, Flight 800.

[templar]

...Sounds interesting, and believable...

Yeah, it is believable when you see the picture. I've got a copy of that issue around somewhere (bought it because I heard about the picture and didn't believe it). Its' a pretty good Photo and it really does look like him. Publishing dates and the fact that the photo was incidental to a story about the davidians seem to rule out it being placed in the article for any reson related to OKC. The other guy with him looks an awful lot like john Doe 2 as well, but that is comparing a photo with a composite drawing, and there is too much subjectivity to say it is him.

The photo generated a lot of controversy in some circles at the time with some professed experts (notice I say professed, since I lack the knowelege to evaluate them) giving comparisons of his ear to McVeighs' ear and claiming it was proof as good as fingerprints.

I try to think about it as just an intriguing coincidence, since I want to avoid all that tinfoil stuff.

[rightofrush]

And you know this because you are an expert in

being well informed.

See the Report on the Bomb Damage of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building by Benton K. Partin, Brig. General, USAF (Retired).

[Woodkirk]

The FBI withheld information from McVeigh's lawyers which should have postponed the execution -- not just for 30 days but a considerably longer period of time. It usually takes 20 years for any death sentence to be carried out, but this one is done with haste. Granted McVeigh dropped his appeal, but since when does that mean he has to be executed immediately - particularly when there is substantial evidence that he had Iraqi accomplices and McNichols has his under appeal.

Ashcroft was personally involved in the expediting of the execution, meeting in Indianapolis with the victims' families, and approvingly announcing that it is time to put OKC to rest.

Remember: McVeigh was tried in FEDERAL court not state court, by prosecutors under the Attorney General. Did the AG's prosecutors petition the court for immediate execution -- yes. Did the AG's prosecutors petition for a stay of execution until they could put to rest the evidence of accomplices and the McNichols case --- no. The evidence that McVeigh had middle eastern accomplices was then and is now overwhelming. Ashcroft had not only national security reasons but also judicial reasons for keeping McVeigh available for interrogation -- yet his office pushed for the execution without delay. He was evidence and after 911 he might have been more forthcoming -- why shred evidence unless someone doesn't want it talking.

The buck stopped at Ashcroft -- he pushed the court for immediate execution and did nothing to prevent it exept for a 30 day delay.

[Fred Mertz]

Thanks for posting McVeigh's essay. Funny how he mentions Iraq in his first paragraph, and seems to defend Iraq throughout the entire essay.

[OKCSubmariner]

Thanks for the McVeigh essay post in reply #101.

I have written numerous times on FR about McVeighs' writings sent to the OKlahoma Gazette and his appearance on 60 minutes with Ed Bradley in which he referred to the term used by the US government to describe the deaths of innocents (children)at Waco and Iraq as being "collateral damage" .

One of the men associated with McVeigh and Waco, Gary D. Hunt sent out a fax to his friends at Waco(Has been posted on FR) the day of the OKC bombing saying that the bombing had been done to avenge the death of children at Waco and in Iraq. Hunt also wrote that US dissidents (mcVeigh, etc)and Iraqis collabotated on the attack.

The FBI recieved a copy of the Hunt fax via the OKC PD and me in 1995. Hunt was seen by several witnesses in OKC near the Murrah building before and after the bombing (Jane Graham inside the Murrah building on April 19, 1995,James Culwell at the Grand Continental Motel in OKC on I-35 AND at a Total gas station McVeigh visited near the Murrah building by another witness (interviewed by KTOK radio and me) who was visited by the FBI on April 24 and where the gas station surveillance tape was confiscated by the FBI). The FBI -James Calisle and other agents have had this information since 1995.

Hunt may be a protected (by the FBI)US government provocateur/informant used in the OKC bombing plot. The threats by the FBI toward me in my home were over the FBI investigation (and protection) of Gary Hunt.

Hunt knew McVeigh, publicly advocated blowing up Federal buildings (on radio shows I taped) and worked with BATF and FBI negotiators at the Waco seige. At one point Hunt negotiated with Koresh during the first two weeks of the seige. Hunt was interviewed by Montel Williams about this on April 21, 1993-I have the tape of the interview.

[Wm Bach]

notice this jerk's sign up date. doesn't prove a thing... but it is interesting.

Underscore_ProudAmerican2?

[OKCSubmariner]

Please See reply #134. Thanks.

[OKCSubmariner]

Please See reply #134. Thanks

[OKCSubmariner]

OOps, my error in reply #134

I meant to refer to reply #116 (not #101) by Okie01.

[js1138]

Who is this man?

[stimulate]

Was it relevant to McVeigh's conviction that the FBI withheld information about Iraq connections? Besides,Mc Veigh took full responsibility.

Why didn't Mc Veigh's Attorney try to strike a deal with Ashcroft? That's his job.

However, I do believe that Iraq was involved,or Al Queda,and I completly support investigation by Congressman Burton into the matter. Perhaps, the attorney for Nichols will try to strike a deal
with the DOJ.It's certainly not hopeless.

Ashcroft shouldn't be blamed for McVeigh's behavior or that of his defense attorney.