[Victoria Delsoul]

Rejection of the Creed and of Western civilization means the end of the United States as we have known it. It also means effectively the end of Western Civilization. If he United States is de-Westernized, the West is reduced to Europe and a few lightly populated overseas European settler countries. Without the United States the West becomes a minuscule and declining part of the world's population on a small and inconsequential peninsula at the extremity of he Eurasian land mass.

No way Jose. The concept that Western Civilization will decline and will end as its enfeebled countries become too weak to resist invasion and subsequently become overrun by other cultures it's not realistic in our case.

The fact is that the American culture dominates other cultures and we can see that in the US. Despite the many cultures that exist here there is only one that predominates. It is clear that in one way or another it is the American culture, which dominates, or attempts to dominate the rest of the word. The result will be an Americanized world far away from extinction.

[Noumenon]

But what of those who are actively seeking to destroy our culture. By all measure of reason, they - the heirs and disciples of Antonio Gramsci - have moved us to the threshold of the thrid stage of Gramcsi's vision. The head-on collision of Islamic and Western civilization is in some respects almost a sideshow to the main event, and it may actually serve to accellerate the process.

Remember that the cohesive elements of our culture - the American Creed as Huntington describes it - is utterly despised by those who shape the ideas that inform our society. That matters. It matters perhaps far more than most of us would like to admit even if we fully understood its implications.

[schmelvin]

It is clear that in one way or another it is the American culture, which dominates, or attempts to dominate the rest of the word. The result will be an Americanized world far away from extinction.

My biggest concern is that the American culture that's been dominating the world isn't Traditional American Culture at all, but American Pop Culture: Mickey Mouse, Big Macs, Madonna, Hollywood films, etc.

Traditional American Culture is an entirely different thing: Liberty, property, Puritan work ethic, rule of law, rugged individualism, personal responsibility, etc. Not only do I not see us largely exporting these things, but I see us discarding them ourselves.

I'm only in my mid-30s, but I remember a different America in my youth. No one locked their doors, a man's word was his bond, schools actually taught and disciplined students, etc.

Our national character has changed. The character of our immigrants has changed. They don't respect us or their new homeland, and one reason I think they don't is because we don't stand for the same principals we used to.