Letter from Senator Ray Haynes

E-mail letter | August 29, 2002 | Senator Ray Haynes

[Gophack]

I don't know that he ever said he supported Gay Pride Day. I think his comments were taken out of context, but I'm not 100% sure. Email the Simon campaign staff at info@simonforgovernor.com and ask them.

[gubamyster]

Thank you for the post.

Now can we get the LA Times & SF Chronicle to post it?

[Gophack]

Now can we get the LA Times & SF Chronicle to post it?

Haaa haa haaaaa haaaa haaa ha ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahaha ahahaahahahahahahahah

I needed a good laugh. :-)

[kellynla]

Thanks for the ping. Maybe Simon should take out a full page ad in the SF Chronicle and the LA Times so the truth will be well known and unedited. For anyone who is interested the tv and radio ads that are airing are on the Simon website www.simonforgovernor.com DUMP DAVIS

[thepitts]

if we stand by him, where do you think his loyalties will be?

Well, if he's a politician like dubya....??

[Gophack]

Well, I don't quite understand what you mean. I think GWB is a good president, and I've agreed with much of what he's done. He has definately gone a long way in protecting the unborn, and he is continuing to help protect these most vulnerable children that society doesn't want.

I just think, if Bill Simon wins (which I think he will), he will know that it was because of his conservative base, and he will work closely with conservative issues to ensure that our important needs are addressed. Will he be lock-step conservative on every single issue? Probably not. Neither is Bush or Reagan or other great leaders. But he will be with us MOST of the time and on the MOST IMPORTANT issues.

I really have a good feeling about Bill Simon. He's not a politician, he's a real person with real ideas and doesn't always know how to play the game. Well, I'm tired of game playing. Gray Davis is the master, and look at where that's gotten us?

Go Simon!

[BibChr]

I appreciate much the post, and your thinking of me. Thanks. And yet:

(1) To respond by trashing Randy Thomasson and Lou Sheldon troubles me. John Stoos, a well-established Republican and conservative activist, seems to regard Thomasson highly, judging by the latter's frequent presence on the former's radio show here in Godforsaken Sacramento. While I haven't named my children after Sheldon, he's certainly been active and aggressive in CA for years. Is "dissing" them really an answer?

(2) What about these direct quotations?

• "In June 2003 I will sign a proclamation declaring Gay Pride Day."
• "I support the continued recognition and involvement of gay Republicans in state party activities...I would back a state party charter for the Log Cabin (Republicans) of California." (I.e. he favors formal recognition of an organization of people united and distinguished only by an sexually perverse act of disgusting immorality.)
• "I believe that the Log Cabin Republicans have provided a voice for members of our party who find that the Democratic party does not represent them on a whole range of issues, whether they be the economy, education, personal liberty, or the environment. I am pleased that the Log Cabin Republicans have made substantial contributions to our party"
• "No, I would not seek to repeal this legislation" (i.e. legislation "facilitating adoption" by couples distinguished by their practice of disgusting, perverted, immoral acts)
• On sexual perverts pretending to be married when, by definition, they cannot be: "I do believe that human beings enter into relationships with other human beings and that some of those relationships are deserving of recognition, not as the equivalent to marriage, or as a substitute for marriage, but in order to allow two individuals who have established a strong caring relationship to more fully function [sic] within that relationship." (I.e. adios to distinctive rights and privileges for the status of marriage.)
• "Yes, in June 2003 I will sign a proclamation declaring Gay Pride Day."

(Most of these quotations sourced on this thread.)

Liberal media and destructive, self-interested conservatives aside, I find these direct quotations troubling to various degrees. He does seem to tell the poor, perverted souls in the "Log Cabin" club what the want to hear, and then to tell conservatives what they want to hear. "Seem" I say, but "seem" it is, at least.

I'd still likely vote for him over Davis or no-one or a "gesture" vote, but he does seem to be Fonging himself, by these direct quotations. And saying, "But I know he's conservative" or "Randy Thomasson is a mullet-head" doesn't fully bring me to understanding of Simon's own words.

To say nothing of what he said to pro-infanticide groups about abortion (in effect "Don't worry, I'm no threat, I won't change anything; besides, my wife's pro-'choice'!") So far, I've had no help in understanding that at all.

Dan

[editor-surveyor]

This is more like it!

[kellynla]

ping I thought you might want to see this email if you haven't already. This should answer any questions you might have about Simon's positions on "gay" rights. DUMP DAVIS

[ElkGroveDan]

Phil Sheldon has backed off his criticism of Bill after speaking to him. Stoos is 100% behind Bill Simon.

[ElkGroveDan]

CA-WIDE PING

[Jagdgewehr]

Thanks for the ping! I have yet to see an e-mail inspite of the fact that I sent one to the Simon folks yesterday inquiring about this issue. I guess there must be a flood of e-mails coming in to Mr. Simon since yesterday.

[backhoe]

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[PhiKapMom]

Beats me! Anymore I am not sure I believe anything the press has to say!

[PhiKapMom]

Thank you sir!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Very Good!

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I pinged some!

[budwiesest]

I am pleased that the Log Cabin Republicans have made substantial contributions to our party"

OK fine, but I'm sticking (sorry) with Mrs. Butterworths.