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Florida, you have 5 more years of this clown. Hope you're happy with him.
1 posted on 09/04/2002 2:13:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I think we know the newest mantra from today's DNC talking points.

Only a moron would believe that.

Correction, it appears that a lot of morons actually believe that.

2 posted on 09/04/2002 2:17:34 PM PDT by Windshark
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Talk about a rocket scientist...
3 posted on 09/04/2002 2:23:36 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Recovering_Democrat
George to Bill - Sit down. Shut up. Let the grownups handle this.
4 posted on 09/04/2002 2:30:02 PM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Did you see the smug smile on his face as he said these things?
5 posted on 09/04/2002 2:36:37 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I think the thing which annoys me the most about this "hasn't made the case" mantra is how disingenuous it is. It would be one thing if these "hasn't made the case" people had seriously, sincerely considered the arguments put forth for war and decided that they weren't persuasive. But that's not what's going on.

These people are AGAINST WAR. PERIOD. They don't want a war at all with Iraq, for any reason whatsoever. But instead of having the guts to come out and say this (which would earn them a bit of respect from me, at least), they dance around and throw out this "hasn't made the case" stuff. I guess it's encouraging because these people do, at least, seem to realize that "I just don't want any wars!" isn't going to quite cut it with the American public. Thus they know that they need some other excuse to oppose a war, ergo this "hasn't made the case" stuff.

The problem is that in the process of repeating "hasn't made the case" over and over again, the antiwar people give the impression that there is something Bush could actually say which would make them support a war on Iraq, which (of course) is completely false. There is nothing Bush could feasibly, plausibly do or say which would make these people support a war on Iraq. Nothing. But by pretending that their main problem is that the "case" "hasn't been made" the antiwar people get to pretend that they're more reasonable and thoughtful than they actually are.

If you try to rationally break down the argument of most of these people, you'll notice that they basically grant 99% of the pro-war peoples' arguments about everything from Saddam's evilness to whether he's making WMDs to whether he's in violation of UN resolution XYZ to whether he or his weapons could be linked to terrorism. You can throw all the information out there and the pacifists would just nod and say "Yes, but Bush still needs to Make The Case." The impression is thus formed that the knee-jerk pacifist faction consists primarily of a bunch of short attention span MTV watchers; they don't argue with you, they have no dispute with your facts, but they need Bush to give some sort of snazzy PowerPoint presentation on TV about the "case" for war against Iraq, condensing all the evidence and arguments into a 7-minute segment between commercials, in order to be able to make up their minds.

Now, to be fair, this isn't so. It isn't so that the antiwar-pacifist faction is so infantile as this. What they are is disingenuous, because when they keep saying "Bush hasn't made the case", it's not true that a sufficiently slick PowerPoint presentation would convince them. Nothing would convince them!

In short, when they say Bush "hasn't made the case" and imply that there is some sort of "case" he could make, they're just plain lying. In reality they just don't want to seem as unreasonable and dogmatic as they in fact are. And for the most part they'll get away with it. That's what galls me.

6 posted on 09/04/2002 2:53:50 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Hey, decent Floridians did not vote for Nelson. Jimmy Buffet toured the state giving free concerts for Nelson and you know how much America loves their entertainers. If you want to tar and feather Florida's DNC-news/media I'll join in.

Someone should have informed Sen. Nelson that Sec. Rumsfeld's press conferences are televised and that any American who tuned in to hear him over the last few weeks heard him make the case against Saddam. Nelson's a liar.

8 posted on 09/04/2002 3:30:00 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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I am continually amazed that even conservatives have yet to discern the difference between Sadam Hussein and Iraq or the difference between replacing his regime and invading Iraq.

Take the time to listen to what Bush, Cheney and Powell have actually said.

Most vaguely realize that the Saddam is absolutely hated by the majority in his own country but most don't realize that only Bush's politcal opponents have publicly talked of invasion.

9 posted on 09/04/2002 5:17:01 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I know them all. Bill, his wife Grace, and his uncle BeBe over in Titusvile. They're all worthkless.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 5:43:19 PM PDT by jslade
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I must be a rocket scientist, because the case against Saddam is crystal clear to me.

He will soon have nucleur weapons. He already has lots of biological and chemical weapons. He gassed his own people, and sponsors terrorists set out to destroy America.

Gee, to think I always thought of myself as below average intelligence. Maybe I could become a brain surgeon after all.

12 posted on 09/04/2002 6:02:30 PM PDT by joyful1
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To: Recovering_Democrat
And has Bill Nelson furnished any case against a couple of attendents in a white truck backing up onto his lawn to help take him away?
15 posted on 09/04/2002 6:38:09 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Senator Bill obviously is behind the curve:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts
Militia defector claims Baghdad trained Al-Qaeda fighters in chemical warfare
Sunday Times | July 14, 2002 | Gwynne Roberts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts
THE IRAQI CONNECTION:Saddam Controlled The Camps
London Observer ^ | November 11, 2001 | David Rose;Ed Vulliamy; Kae Connolly

The Sudan-Iraq-Afghanistan Alliance: and the Russian connection (America's enemies unveiled)

Earlier US airplane hijack plot first uncovered in Philippines: police

And this:

 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743525/posts
Experts: Iraq has tons of chemical weapons(CNN)
CNN ^ | 9/2/02

And this:

The Iraqi connection
Telegragh:Iraq's chemists bought anthrax from America
Link
Link
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West Nile virus confirmed in Chicago burbs
Salman Pak: In 1985, the CDC sent three shipments of West Nile Fever virus to Iraq for use in medical research. Valerie Kuklenski, "Western Firms Supplied Iraq with Chemical Weapons," UPI, October 2, 1990.

18 posted on 09/05/2002 12:21:29 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Recovering_Democrat
on behalf of others who live in Florida, or who would like too, this clown and the child killer reno can both expect a limiterd run
19 posted on 09/05/2002 12:23:00 PM PDT by The Wizard
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To: Recovering_Democrat
On behalf of all clear-thinking, conservative Republicans, we'd like to (again) apologize for sending this space shot Democrat toadie to Washington...along with the other dishonest, sycophant Bob Graham. What a nightmare these two are!
20 posted on 09/05/2002 12:37:22 PM PDT by Prov1322
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We are NOT happy with either Graham or Nelson! We Conservatives have no representation in the Senate.
22 posted on 09/05/2002 12:43:53 PM PDT by bluewater bird
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Astronaut Bill told Gibson he was in meetings with the Secretary of Defense today and Donald Rumsfeld has made no case against Iraq.

Ummmm .. doesn't this fall under the lines of LEAKING INFORMATION???

23 posted on 09/05/2002 12:48:27 PM PDT by Mo1
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