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1 posted on 09/04/2002 4:39:07 PM PDT by veronica
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You were expecting some maybe?

Apart from Kabbani, Tashbih Sayyed and an imam in the Orlando area, all we get are equivocations.

Instead, the September Attacks on America are looked upon as an 'opportunity' to win further converts.
2 posted on 09/04/2002 4:52:58 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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Sometimes, a cigar is a damned cigar. The only resources Islam seems to have are brutality, misogyny, and xenophobia. There is nothing worth saving.
3 posted on 09/04/2002 5:12:11 PM PDT by gcruse
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Muslims will do what they must, and what they can...

And so will Americans.

5 posted on 09/04/2002 6:19:18 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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hello veronica! Nice to see you again.

It is not for non-Muslims to say what Muslims should think. A social mass as large and old as Islam has its own resources, its own internal compasses and its own needs. Muslims will do what they must, and what they can. But non-Muslims will observe what Muslims think. It’s a free country.

Ah, but what will we do in this free country of ours where observing what the Muslims do and telling it like it is results in absolutely nothing being done?

I read an article in a paper which has a pretty good circulation in my state. It told of a Muslim school being opened and the prejudices the principal, teachers, and students were exposed to. On the one hand, violence (verbal or otherwise) against "innocents" cannot be condoned. On the other hand, I couldn't help but wonder what is being taught in that school far from the prying eyes of our liberal media (who, no doubt, would cover up any "undemocratic" teachings anyway). Are the little Muslims being taught about the supremacy of Islam? Are they being taught to hate Jews and Christians? We'll never know will we?

8 posted on 09/04/2002 7:48:58 PM PDT by h.a. cherev
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WE aren't being told that Muslims are moderates, we are being told they are a religion of peace. Pure turn the other cheek pacifists of the likes of Quakers.

Moderates? If there are moderates among the Islamites, it must mean moderation in zealotry, or moderation in violence. If they were not so lethal, they would be laughable.
10 posted on 09/04/2002 8:52:32 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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But non-Muslims will observe what Muslims think.

Muslims don't think, they obey, or else.

11 posted on 09/04/2002 8:55:26 PM PDT by tet68
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We are struggling with the central paradox of a Western free society and that is tolerance for the ideas and people who are intolerant and committed to destroying that very tradition and law of tolerance. Until we recognize and resolve it we'll be travelling toward our own destruction.
Dubya's "religion of peace" nonsense is a deliberate (and clumsy) attempt to avoid arriving at the inevitable conclusion about Islam and its adherents.
12 posted on 09/04/2002 9:02:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat!
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I did see Kana Makiya on a Frontline special on the spiritual aftermath of 9/11 last night and I was blown away by his what he said. I don't know much about him but he's the only Muslim I've ever heard criticize his culture and religion and put the onus on THEM to change or suffer the consequences. This wouldn't be all that earth shattering if it were a person from any other group, but when it comes to Islam, there's not much to choose from.
13 posted on 09/04/2002 11:52:46 PM PDT by SeenTheLight
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Okay, I found out a bit more about Makiya:

Kanan Makiya was born in Baghdad and teaches at Brandeis. His books include Republic of Fear: The Politics of Modern Iraq, Cruelty and Silence: War, Tyranny, Uprising, and the Arab World, and, most recently, The Rock: A Tale of Seventh-Century Jerusalem. (January 2002)

This is an excerpt of what he said on Frontline:

At this point in time, in this place, at this conjuncture in our history, religion did drive those planes into those towers. In that sense, in some deep sense, some deep way, religion is responsible. ... Not any religion, but Islam in particular.

The battle to rid Islam of that notion of jihad ... is a terribly, terribly important one, which it does not seem to me we are up to yet. Moderate, that is, Muslim thinkers from within the tradition themselves, have not yet met the challenge.

So the existential question for Muslims today is, "Can they construct such a dynamic sense of their own religion that is open to the world? Accepting of it? Of 'otherness,' of people and religions and so on?" ... That takes on these guys, this alternative "jihadic" strain of Islam ... [and] defeats it intellectually, ... pulls the rug under it, by undermining the pillars and pointing out the inhuman and ungodly, if you like, qualities and characters it has taken on. ...

You don't hear too many Muslims saying this kind of stuff. I certainly don't agree with him on a lot of issues, but I appreciate his honesty.

14 posted on 09/05/2002 12:38:49 AM PDT by SeenTheLight
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