SACRAMENTO SHOCKED! PUBLIC SECTOR SOLAR CAN'T REPLACE PRIVATE NUCLEAR OR HYDRO POWER! (My Title)

Sacramento Bee ^ | 9/6/2002 | Carrie Payton Dahlberg

[SierraWasp]

The showpiece of Sacramento's electric utility, an internationally known solar power program, is in shambles.

It has fallen short of its goals, rocketed past its budget limits, lost its long-term chief and left Sacramento Municipal Utility District directors scrambling to figure out how to salvage their commitment to renewable energy.

[Fudd]

just build fast breader reactors ...but the greenies will never figure that one out

Watermelon response (whining): Breeder reactors are eeevil, they can be used to make nuclear weapons. Weee can't have that now, it might hurt the children.

[drmatt]

The French dropped their fast breeder reactor program (they built two plants) because the technology just doesn't work very well - reactivity excussions they couldn't explain, volatility of sodium coolant, O&M problems, etc. A much better choice for a next-generation nuclear reactor is the passively-safe Gas-Turbine, Modular Helium Reactor (GT-MHR), which can also burn plutonium and transuranic actinides as nuclear fuel, but much more effectively than a fast breeder.

[SierraWasp]

I'm sorry to say this about Mr. Monorail Brain Osborn, but here goes... He's just got a "One Track Mind!"

[Grampa Dave]

I'm surprised that this wasn't buried in tomorrow's paper on section zulu.

[Grampa Dave]

Time to start turning off the lights and electricity to card carrying watermelons.

Let them exist on alternative power with none of our tax $'s to put up an expensive and semi working system.

I lived in Sacramento for 3 winters. When you don't see the sun basically from 1 Dec until the end of Feb due to fog and clouds, solar power will not work very well.

We saw and heard from the UN Watermelons last week in S Africa. These racists/fascists are against electricity and flush toilets for the third world population. Time to take away their electricity for their crimes against the rest us and this article points out.

[SierraWasp]

I know! I'm sure taking entirely too much delight in this come uppance for the hippocrites involved in all this. The Germans call it scheudenfrued(sp?)!!!

As the article says, "far reaching implications!" This one heaps scorn on so many of the fronts they have been executing a full court press about!!! Delightful!!!

Reality finally makes its anticipated come-back! I was living in Davis when they voted to cancel Rancho Seco! What a "trip" that was!!!

[Grampa Dave]

The grim reality that everyone has to wake up re the Watermelon Green Jihadists is a complex and simple one.

They hate America/Americans and capitalism. Since the days of Jimmy Carter and Moonbeam as governor in Kali, they have worked 24/7/365 to destroy the incredible infrastructure that Moonbeam inheritied from his dad and Ronald Reagan.

The reality that is no hitting Sacramento was started by Moonbeam and his lackey Davis, the moment Moonbeam became governor.

Since then Davis and the Watermelons who hate Kalifornia have worked 24/7 to reduced the supply of electricity and sold their pie in the sky Bravo Sierra about so called cheap renewable energy. Now two plus decades later the reality of their Watermelon attacks on our energy resources are turning Kali into a third world banana belt without even the bananas.

[Grampa Dave]

The reality that is now hitting Sacramento (not no).

Come on coffee kick in, my old 63 year old mind needs an alternative energy boost.

[dark_lord]

The same thing happend in the 80's and 90's with the re-cycling rage...It failed, went bankrupt, because it was just to expensive.

Recycling failed? Because it was too expensive? Where do you live? We recycle cans/bottles/paper once a week. They use the same trucks as for bagged garbage, just make 2 trips. Probably costs a little more in gas for the trucks and labor, but - volume of waste picked up is the same. Garbage pick up is twice a week and costs about $45/month.

Did you know the steel mini-mills are cost competitive with foreign steel because they primarily use recycled metal as their input?
Did you know that those boxes that you get stuff delivered in is primarily or entirely composed of recycled newspaper & cardboard?

[metesky]

Today, with SMUD's $1 billion annual budget and the public's interest in solar power, several board members said they are willing to support a continued solar program even it costs more.

"Why (said in best Foghorn Leghorn voice), I can see that da serious consequence of the previous planners lack of proper planning has resulted in the need for more planning than previously estimated."

"I am appalled at the shoddy quality o' de free lunches my constituents have condemned me to here at Planning Central."

[AdamSelene235]

A much better choice for a next-generation nuclear reactor is the passively-safe Gas-Turbine, Modular Helium Reactor (GT-MHR), which can also burn plutonium and transuranic actinides as nuclear fuel, but much more effectively than a fast breeder.

You've been listening to Dr. Teller.

[tubebender]

I wonder how much energy and money was expended to manufacture and place the panels now in use, compared to what they have produced...

I wonder how many buildings have water damage and what the cost were to repair them because the installers screwed up the installation on roof tops...

[balrog666]

Recycling failed? Because it was too expensive? Where do you live? We recycle cans/bottles/paper once a week. They use the same trucks as for bagged garbage, just make 2 trips. Probably costs a little more in gas for the trucks and labor, but - volume of waste picked up is the same.

And did you know that in 98% of the country those same trucks drive to the same place on both trips, a local dump or incinerator?

And that's because it's cheaper. There's no real market for used plastic or metal (other than cleaned aluminum). And the newsprint recycling market is saturated with a 50 year supply at this very minute.

[MD_Willington_1976]

(GT-MHR) That technology sounds even better ...!! Let's Do It !!...

[Henk]

It will install only 1.1 to 1.2 megawatts

Millions of dollars for enough power to run 1200 hair dryers. Or 12,000 light bulbs. Good grief.

[Robert357]

..I am still a believer in solar hot water systems where the climate is right. It's the only alternative energy system out there that will - under the right circumstances - pay for itself in ten or twenty years.

I too beleive in solar hot water heating (almost everywhere as a suplemental hot water source). I have had the interesting experience of being the engineering project manager on a 25 MW wind farm project that environmentalist fought. I also was the lead licensing engineer on a project in Hawaii, where the Sierra club objected to wind, solar photo-voltaic, ocean thermal, ocean tidal, diesel generators, diesel combined cycle combustion turbines, bio-mass steam boiler generators, geothermal, coal and of course nuclear.

It was so interesting to go to meetings where the utility explained that they were now having rolling brownouts due to lack of generation and then hear the Sierra Club explain that they had a conservation plan that would provide the equivalent amount of power at the end of ten years of implementation (all the while brownouts would be happeneing and load would be growing so that brownouts would be forever).

NREL in Colorado has hyped a lot of technology well beyond the point of ever being able to deliver on their promises.

At SMUD, the people have Mr. Freeman to thank, as well, as their "green conservation program wizard," Lon Topaz. Lon is now at an un-named eastern Washington Public Utility District. Mr. Freeman is set to take over the Califronia Power Authority (God help the people of California!)

[snopercod]

Oops. Yup, I left out a word. Thanks.

[snopercod]

I wonder how many buildings have water damage and what the cost were to repair them because the installers screwed up the installation on roof tops... And how many injuries/fatalities from falling off of rooves.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

What a deal!

I love this:

"THE DEMOCRAT'S DAVIS POWER & DEFICIT DELUSIONAL DISASTER!"

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Of course, these boondoggles keep many, many political hacks well employed, so maybe they have learned all they need to know - where the keys to the public purse are kept.

That about says it all!