Bush's logging plan values the forest for its trees (BARF Alert)

Daily Texan (UT Austin) ^ | 9/5/02 | Kena Piña

[ohioman]

Why must we be subjected to more bildge from liberal traitors (a job requirement to work for any campus newspaper.) The time to debate is over.

[trebb]

So, should we cure AIDS first, or protect the forests? It's a tossup for me...

[Bob Buchholz]

The best way to rid the world of the AIDS epidemic is to quarantine and kill those infected by it.

I read this and thought that the rest of the article would make as much sense. Boy, was I wrong.

[Random Access]

the idea that cutting down old growth trees in national parks

When and where has Bush ever proposed cutting down old growth trees in national parks? I can see cutting down a diseased old growth tree or one that needs to be thinned. I really don't think Bush, or anyone else, is saying we should clear cut the Redwood Forrest.

[AAABEST]

Do not read this post. If you decide to ignore my advice, please have your wife lock that chainsaw up.

[Grampa Dave]

From the look of this bilge, the author is probably suffering from AIDS dementia.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the medical advice. After the first sentence even before I got to your excellent medical advise, I stopped reading it. Drugs and Aids dementia can really screw up a liberal mind.

[folklore]

This same story was an editorial in the Charleston, WV Gazette just yesterday. It seems that left are all on the same page.

[MrB]

rid the world of the AIDS epidemic is to quarantine

Does anyone with any common sense think that there is another way? This virus is mutating beyond control and the current treatment just allows those who are infected to spread it further.
Quarantine, not kill, those infected. When those people inevitably die, it has not been spread further.
Yes, it's pretty cold, but until there is a cure, this is the way to handle it.

OK, on the real topic of forest thinning. These activists need to pick up a machete and a chain saw and clear out the fire hazard themselves - or shut the hell up.

[editor-surveyor]

"Drugs and Aids dementia can really screw up a liberal mind."

As redundant as that statement is, it sure is true!

" It seems that left are all on the same page."

They always are; that's why they are winning.

Old growth is exactly what we need to cut, so that the next generation of trees can also become 'old growth.'

It seems that they are trying to do with trees what they have been doing to people: kill the babies and have the old die without a new generation. The Death Culture is the heart of liberalism.

[Carry_Okie]

Old growth is exactly what we need to cut, so that the next generation of trees can also become 'old growth.'

We disagree. Old growth forests are a valuable research asset. Using them for lumber is un-necessary in the face of a global timber glut. You might want to ask yourself why no one is growing timber of equivalent quality before you make that assertion.

[Joe Brower]

Do not read this post. If you decide to ignore my advice, please have your wife lock that chainsaw up.

Oh, I don't know. Depends on who or what he's going to use it on...

[AAABEST]

We disagree. Old growth forests are a valuable research asset. Using them for lumber is un-necessary in the face of a global timber glut.

You're able to speak as a qualified conservationist, watch out for flames from those that don't know you.

As much as we despise the envirals, we all agree there are certain trees that shouldn't be cut. We have some 500 year old Cypress Strands down here that are truly magnificent.

That said, there's plenty of Old Growth that can be cut. Saving it just for the sake of saving it can be counterproductive.

That's one thing the Greens screwed up for everyone. The ability for us all who care about the environment to look at anything rationally and logically anymore.

[Grampa Dave]

My wife takes the keys to the shed with the chain saw to work with her in case I get agitated reading something stupid like this article.

Years ago during one of our drought years, we had a pine beetle infection of about 1/3 to half of our non native Pine trees on the back of our 1 plus acre.

After getting outrageous quotes from the enviral approved tree druids, I went out and bought a commercial chainsaw.
I took a vacation day off from work during a nice spring day. Before I finished cutting the first dead tree down, the original property owner had showed up and was whining about me destroying the earth's gifts. I told him to get lost and fired up the chainsaw, and he left.

A few minutes later he was back down with our Nazy Nanny Rat Enviralist neighbors. This woman tries to stop all building except for the poor in our community. She was screaming at me.

I went inside and called up the city fire marshall. In about 10 minutes he showed up. I showed him the dead pine trees on the west side our property that would be a real fire hazard before our upcoming long, dry and hot summer was over.

He wrote me a fixit ticket that required that I cut all of the dead trees, trim the brush limbs and have the trees hauled away unless I cut them up for firewood before the weekend was over.

He then told my enviralist neighbors to get off of my property before he called the cops to have them arrested of impeding the removal of fire hazards.

I restarted my commercial chainsaw and started toward the tree the two trespassing druids where standing by.
The whining Druid neighbors scurried away. The dead trees came down, and they became cut fire wood, and the limbs became tinder material. The other trees are still alive and doing great.

The fire marshall came by the next week to note that I had fixed and removed the fire hazard. I thanked him for his help, and he grinned and said anytime.

[Carry_Okie]

The real problem is that socializing forests has destroyed the economic value of old growth. How much we need and and where is politically contentious only because they are politically controlled. Under my system, selling the information about, and access to an old growth forest for research would be profitable in private hands. That means ulterior motives rule the day. Until we fix the system, this kind of dilemma will haunt us.

[Grampa Dave]

The watermelon crocodile tears over old Growth Trees being logged for lumber is a sham: (the arguments by the enviros against logging old-growth public lands trees are completely phony, because there is no significant market for old-growth logs anymore. As a practical matter, all the noise the enviros make about old-growth logging is done to raise money, because the battle is already over — and they won years ago. )

[Carry_Okie]

Sorry about the construction of that paragraph. I'll try again:

The real problem is that socializing forests has destroyed the economic value of old growth. How much we need and and where is politically contentious only because they are politically controlled. That means ulterior motives rule the day. Under my system, selling the information about, and access to an old growth forest for research would be profitable in private hands. Until we fix the system, this kind of dilemma will haunt us.

My apologies.

[editor-surveyor]

"Old growth forests are a valuable research asset"

I can't see burned timber as much of an asset for any purpose. - Unless those forests are logged enough to break the crown open, sooner or later thay will burn destructively.

I believe it was you that posted an article some months ago that exposed how much western forests have densified in the past century or so. - It is that crown density that makes the fires impossible to fight on a small scale basis. ( that's not my idea, it comes from rank and file CDF smoke eaters)

[Joe Brower]

Outstanding story, GP, and a job well done. Golly gee, I guess the enviral belly-crawlers didn't want to talk to you much after that, huh? $;-)