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USO Canteen FReeper Style ~ POW/MIA Recognition Day ~ September 20, 2002
FRiends of the USO Canteen, Snow Bunny and LindaSOG

Posted on 09/19/2002 11:39:21 PM PDT by Snow Bunny

   




Vietnam - America's Most Controversial War
American Prisoners of War – American Soldiers Missing in Action
These men are our sons, our husbands, our brothers, and our fathers.
We sent them from the arms of their loved ones to a hostile nation.
There, they endured the horrors of war - fighting for freedom.
Fighting for your Freedom.
And now we must fight to bring them home.

The first Americans were captured in 1954 in South Vietnam. They were held three weeks and interrogated before being released. Others captured later were not so fortunate.

During the entire Vietnam War there were 771 POWs, 60 civilians and 2,585 missing in action. Statistics from the Department of Defense reflect that 971 were killed in action and 35 were known to have died in captivity but their remains were not returned. The DoD has made a presumptive finding of death for 878 prisoners.  13 remain classified as missing and 8 remain classified as prisoners.

The death rate in South Vietnamese POW camps was 20 percent, compared with 5 percent in North Vietnam.

Why?

Vietnam's Ho Chi Minh capitalized on the Vietnamese hatred of foreigners, resulting in the deplorable treatment of POWs.

Prisoners were shuffled from camp to camp and given very little food.  They suffered disease and received no medical care.  They suffered injuries during “interrogation” and were injured during pressure to confess and to sign anti-war propaganda.

Most American POWs were pilots who had been shot down and were held in camps. Camps these prisoners nicknamed The Hanoi Hilton, The Plantation, Briar Patch, The Zoo, Alcatraz and others. Held the longest was Floyd Thompson, who endured nine years; and the second longest held was Edward Alvarez, held captive for eight years.

African Americans were singled out for abuse, the Vietnamese felt that due to prejudicial treatment at home, they might be more likely to agree with their captors and sign statements against America.

Maj. Fred Cherry was the highest ranking black POW. He was shot down in 1965 and spent 57 continuous weeks in solitary confinement as well as being tortured for 97 straight days.

Treatment of American POWs in Vietnam was exposed in a number of ways.  One way was through the drawings of journalist Mike McGrath depicting methods of torture used.

The Vietnamese put Capt. Jeremiah Denton before their cameras in 1966. The world looked on in horror as Capt. Denton denied poor treatment with his words and used his eyes to send a very different message, blinking the word TORTURE in Morse code.

Cmdr. Dick Stratton was filmed bowing to a panel of men, but he went on to bow to the blank walls beside and behind him. The American public took his actions to be those of a man gone insane during captivity.

Another form of torture was that the men were forced to listen to loudspeakers broadcasting propaganda five hours a day, propaganda that sometimes came from Americans, Americans like Jane Fonda.

Former POW Pat Mendoza has said that our freedom as Americans gives us the right to disagree with our government, but those who disagree should not be in the country of our enemies and be associated with enemy troops.

After POWs were forced to listen to Fonda's statements, they were forced to sign a statement saying they agreed with her statements.  If they refused, they were beaten.  Some were beaten to death.

In 1969 when Ho Chi Minh died, treatment of American POWs improved slightly.

A 1970 raid staged to gain freedom for POWs in Son Tay Prison was unsuccessful because the Vietnamese had removed all the prisoners. However it is believed that the raid may have scared the North Vietnamese, Americans had come to get their POWs. As a result, most POWs were taken to Hanoi and there, they had contact with each other and gained strength from each other to continue to endure.

A 1972 bombing by America provided a moral boost to those POWs who could hear the bombs being dropped.  Historians believe it was the catalyst which brought the eventual release of POWs in 1973 - Operation Homecoming.

Most of us don't know what it's like to lose our freedom for even a day, much less for nine years. Most of us don’t know what it is to suffer through torture.  Our veterans have paid that price for us - some came home, some did not. Their sacrifices are the very reason why we can truly celebrate our freedom.

They fought for us and now we must fight for them. We must bring them home.

Official intelligence indicates that Americans known to have been alive in captivity in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia were not returned at the end of the war. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it must be assumed that these Americans may still be alive.

As a matter of policy, the U.S. Government does not rule out the possibility that Americans could still be held. Joint field operations in Laos are very productive. The Lao recently agreed to increase the number of US personnel permitted in-country and allow greater flexibility during field operations. Agreements between the U.S. and the Indochina governments now permit Vietnamese witnesses to participate in joint operations in Laos and Cambodia when necessary. POW/MIA research and field activities in Cambodia have received excellent support. Over 80% of US losses in Laos and 90% of those in Cambodia occurred in areas where Vietnamese forces operated during the war, but Vietnam has not yet responded to countless US requests for case-specific records on loss incidents in these countries. Records research and field operations are the most likely means of increasing the accounting for Americans missing in Laos and Cambodia.

Just as we "STILL" wait for accountability for our POW/MIA's from Nam and Korea, we now add to the list, those from the Persian Gulf as well..
Visit the
Memorial listing their Names.

What can you do?

Write or call the President: The White House 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW. Washington DC, 20500

Comment Line : 202-456-1111 ~ FAX 202-456-2461

E-Mail the President

E-Mail the Vice President

E-Mail the First Lady

Write or call your Senators
The Capitol Washington DC, 20510
Senate Switchboard -- 202-224-3121

E-Mail Senators

Write or call your Representatives
The Capitol Washington DC 20515
House of Representatives Switchboard - 202-224-3121

E-Mail Representatives

Click a link





To restore your faith in America's youth
visit this 13 year old girl's website.
She is the one who started this petition.

Just click on the graphic.
Please sign her guestbook.

Beamer says... Please don't miss Snow Bunny's April Tribute
to POW/MIA's ~ Click on Beamer and he will take you there.



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To: Snow Bunny
World War II - Prisoners of War - Stalag Luft I
261 posted on 09/20/2002 1:34:47 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: GatorGirl
Please tell Tony we All said hi.
He'll be home before you know it.
*HUG*
262 posted on 09/20/2002 1:36:17 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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To: SassyMom; Snow Bunny; AntiJen; SAMWolf; HiJinx; 4TheFlag; Victoria Delsoul; ...
Mike McGrath spent five years and nine months as a prisoner of war in Vietnam. He was captured after a failed reconnaissance mission sent his aircraft to the ground. His captors transported him to the Hanoi Hilton where he endured a life of isolation, torture and misery. The beatings were frequent and the living conditions deplorable. As the war came to an end, Mike and other prisoners who survived were released. The images etched in Mike McGrath’s memory from his time spent in Hanoi were put to paper and published in the book Prisoner of War: Six Years in Hanoi. The following drawings and excerpts are from that book.

On June 30, 1967, I took off from the deck of the aircraft carrier U.S.S. Constellation, CVA-64, on my 178th mission, an armed reconnaissance mission over North Vietnam. After bombing a small pontoon bridge, I picked out a second target. "Busy Bee rolling in," I said, as my wingman circled to watch my run. Suddenly there was a muffled explosion. My controls went slack as my A4-C Skyhawk began to roll uncontrollably. I could see the earth rising to meet me. Instinctively I pulled my ejection handle. The quick decision saved my life, but almost immediately after I landed on the ground, Vietnamese farmers and local militia jumped on me. One man held a rusty knife to my throat, while the others savagely ripped and cut away my clothing. It seemed as though they had never seen a zipper; they cut the zippers away instead of using them to remove my flight clothing. One man, in his haste to rip off my boots, managed to hyper-extend my left knee six times. Every time I screamed in pain, the rusty knife would be jabbed harder into my throat.

263 posted on 09/20/2002 1:37:26 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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Within ten hours of my capture, I was en route to Hanoi. At a pontoon bridge, I was taken out of a truck and jammed into a narrow ditch. The soldiers who were guarding the bridge took turns to see who could hit my face the hardest. After the contest, they tried to force dog dung through my teeth, bounced rocks off my chest, jabbed me with their gun barrels, and bounced the back of my head off the rocks that lay in the bottom of the ditch.

I said my final prayers that night, because I was sure I would not reach Hanoi alive.

264 posted on 09/20/2002 1:38:47 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: All

Immediately after my arrival in Hanoi, I was taken to the New Guy Village, a section of the Hanoi Hilton, where new arrivals were tortured and interrogated. I was denied medical treatment because I would not give any information other than my name, rank, serial number and date of birth - the only information required by international law.

I was delirious with pain. I was suffering from a badly dislocated and fractured left arm, two fractured vertebrae and a fractured left knee. The Vietnamese dislocated both my right shoulder and right elbow in the manner shown in the drawing.

I wished I could die! When the Vietnamese threatened to shoot me, I begged them to do it, Their answer was, "No, you are a criminal. You haven't suffered enough."

265 posted on 09/20/2002 1:39:57 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Spookie, rarely can I get thru Amazing Grace without tears. Today is no exception.God bless you good. Your words and choice of music to accompany them are outstanding. ((HUGS))
266 posted on 09/20/2002 1:40:23 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska
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To: All

I begged the Vietnamese to set my broken arm and relocate my dislocated shoulder. My requests were ignored. I then begged them to let another American come into my room to help me relocate my shoulder. I received answers such as "You have bad attitude. You are black criminal and you deserve to suffer."

I thought the pain would drive me insane. I made a desperate attempt to relocate my shoulder myself by placing my cup under my armpit, and then throwing myself against the wall. I failed.

267 posted on 09/20/2002 1:41:00 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: All

Countless hours were spent in this position as we "cleared the hallway" for guards. Each man gladly took his share of clearing, because the consequences of getting caught while communicating could result in torture and months of a miserable existence in irons or "cuffs."

All the POWs became "peekers" as we followed the daily activities around camp. Everything from the movement and interrogation of prisoners to the obscene acts committed by the guards with animals, was noted. The news was quickly passed from room to room in the tap code.

268 posted on 09/20/2002 1:42:11 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: blackie
Good evening, Blackie!

Molon Labe!

269 posted on 09/20/2002 1:42:33 PM PDT by Pippin
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To: LindaSOG; coteblanche; SAMWolf; Pippin
Hello all.
I will be out tonight,(a bit of poker with the boys.)

I am having a bit of trouble following the thread today. There seems to be undercurrents. Perhaps it is because I do not know who FlagMan is.

anyhow my quote for today....

"With malice toward none,with charity for all...let us finish the work we are in, to bind up the Nation`s wounds"

- Abraham Lincoln
270 posted on 09/20/2002 1:43:00 PM PDT by Radix
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To: All

Communications were the lifelines of our covert camp organization. It was essential for everyone to know what was happening in camp, whether the news was about a new torture or just a friendly word of encouragement to a disheartened fellow POW.

The primary means of communication was by use of the "tap" code. The code was a simple arrangement of the alphabet into a 5 x 5 block. It was derived through one man's code knowledge gained from Air Force survival school.

The Vietnamese were able to extract, by torture, every detail of the code. They separated us and built multiple screens of bamboo and tarpaper between each room, but they never succeeded in completely stopping us from communicating.

271 posted on 09/20/2002 1:43:24 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: SpookBrat
Thanks so much SpookBrat
272 posted on 09/20/2002 1:43:49 PM PDT by Soaring Feather
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Some men were tied to their beds, sometimes for weeks at a time. Here, I have drawn a picture showing the handcuffs being worn in front, but the usual position was with the wrists handcuffed behind the back. A man would live this way day and night , without sleep or rest. He could not lie down because his weight would cinch the already tightened cuffs even tighter, nor could he turn sideways.

The cuffs were taken off twice a day for meals. If the cuffs had been too tight, the fingers would be swollen and of little use in picking up a spoon or a cup.

Hopefully, a man could perform his bodily functions while the cuffs were momentarily removed at mealtimes. If not, he lived in his own mess.

273 posted on 09/20/2002 1:44:47 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: Radix
Great quote. Radix!
274 posted on 09/20/2002 1:46:16 PM PDT by Pippin
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Many men were handcuffed or tied to a stool as a means of slow torture. The POW sat in one position, day and night. Each time he would fall over, the guards would sit him upright. He was not allowed to sleep or rest.

Exhaustion and pain take their toll. When the POW agreed to cooperate with his captors and acquiesced to their demands, he would be removed. Here, I have pictured a guard named "Mouse," who liked to throw buckets of cold water on a man on cold winter nights.

Some men, in heroic efforts to resist the "V," remained seated for 15 to 20 days. One man made a super-human effort to resist. He lasted 33 days on the stool before giving in!

275 posted on 09/20/2002 1:46:52 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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Here, I tried to depict the "Vietnamese rope trick." The arms are repeatedly cinched up until the elbows are forced together. Sometimes at this point the "hell cuffs" are applied. The "hell cuffs" are handcuffs which are put on the upper arms and pinched as tightly as possible onto the arms, cutting off the circulation. The resulting pain is extreme. If the prisoner has not broken down by this time, his arms are rotated until shoulders dislocate. Words could never adequately describe the pain, or the thoughts that go through a man's mind at a time like this.

276 posted on 09/20/2002 1:47:43 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: aomagrat
Thank you aomagrat for the USS Jarvis history.
277 posted on 09/20/2002 1:49:43 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska
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To: tomkow6
Tom, these pictures are fantastic.
278 posted on 09/20/2002 1:51:07 PM PDT by Kathy in Alaska
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To: Kathy in Alaska
I know what you mean. I'm sitting here sniffing myself. These pictures I found are tearing me up.

The story about the man who wrote "Amazing Grace" is a beautiful one. I thought about offering to write a thread on it for Sunday, but we decided it was best to not get too religious on these threads. LOL (Guess we didn't hold to that too well, did we)? Plus the man who wrote that song was not an American, but English. I didn't think a story about an English slaver trader would fit into the subject matter of the threads.

It was a good idea anyway. Just for a different thread some where else. LOL

279 posted on 09/20/2002 1:52:38 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: Pippin
Hi Pippin, it's afternoon here and it is good !! :o)

FMCDH !!
280 posted on 09/20/2002 1:52:55 PM PDT by blackie
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