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GIRLS! GIRLS! GIRLS!
New York Post ^ | 20 SEP 02 | LTC Ralph Peters USA, RET

Posted on 09/20/2002 8:06:23 PM PDT by dts32041

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:08:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

THE greatest social change in the history of humanity happened in the United States over the past 50 years. Women broke their ancient chains and became men's partners instead of remaining men's property. This shift in the status of women is the decisive strategic factor of our time.


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1 posted on 09/20/2002 8:06:23 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: dts32041
The author is a self-hating man.
2 posted on 09/20/2002 8:08:18 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
The author is a self-hating man.

I'm waiting to be a trophy husband or homemaker man but so far it hasn't happened.
3 posted on 09/20/2002 8:10:13 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: dts32041
I completely support equal rights, opportunities, and responsibilites for men and women.

But the writer of this article is such an a-hole it's hard to agree with him.
4 posted on 09/20/2002 8:11:00 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck
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To: dts32041
Oh, and those 70 virgins? Sounds like a lot of dreary work to me. I'll take one American career-woman any day (ain't nothing like a major babe in a tailored suit who picks up the dinner tab).

American women kick ass. And that's the best news since humanity mastered fire, the wheel and the process of fermentation.

I've known guys who BS like this in my lifetime. They are most generally 'after something'.

5 posted on 09/20/2002 8:13:13 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: dts32041
THE greatest social change in the history of humanity happened in the United States over the past 50 years.

Nope, the problem started long before that, when we gave them the right to vote.

6 posted on 09/20/2002 8:16:40 PM PDT by gilor
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To: dts32041
American women kick ass. And that's the best news since humanity mastered fire, the wheel and the process of fermentation.

This guy wants a woman who will tie him up, whip him, and give him enemas, I suspect.

7 posted on 09/20/2002 8:17:31 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Iowa Granny
Good one. LOL.
8 posted on 09/20/2002 8:18:18 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: dts32041
THE real story is in the success and contributions of the women reading this paper on their way to work, in the careers of the women I served beside in the military and in the female president we're going to elect as soon as we decide we need a chief executive who can speak in complete sentences.

anyone wanna bet this maroon was one of clinton's boy toys ?

9 posted on 09/20/2002 8:19:17 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: dts32041
I wonder if this clown tries to use these idiotic revisionist lines to pick up women. Even diehard feminazis can't stand a bootlicking wuss.
10 posted on 09/20/2002 8:20:03 PM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: Iowa Granny
here is what kills me about wimmens
1. it was Eve who ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge
and Adam ,after asking why Eve was nekkid,realized she
was OUTTA THERE (the garden of eden) and would have
surely died away from God's protection,in a chivalrous
move,Adam too ate of the forbidden tree,both of course,in sin in God's eye...From then to now,wimmens have rebelled
not against society but against God. I have heard on TV that God thinks wimmens are less than...well is that really
true ? God wrote the 10 commandments as we all know

thou shalt not ...... tou shalt not.....love thy father
and mother.......but of all of these,said God,the greatest
is to honor your mother and father......so what did God
really think of wimmens ??????????????
11 posted on 09/20/2002 8:20:06 PM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: dts32041
Rosie the Riveter is in the boardroom. She flies combat aircraft. She's a lawyer, a doctor, a cop, a journalist and, sometimes, still a factory worker. In every role she fills, she's the real hero of post-modern America.

It's nice to know women are over that silly motherhood thing.

12 posted on 09/20/2002 8:20:12 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: dts32041
I wish this article would at least touch on the fact that there are a lot of women who have abused their newfound freedoms by divorcing good men who have fathered their children, and then remarrying again and again. I've personally met too many guys who have a kid that they never get to see, but they sure get to pay for them. This just isn't right, and it needs to change, and soon.

For the longest time it was practically automatic that when there was a divorce the children went with the mother. Perhaps we need a thirty year period where the children automatically go with the fathers? Maybe that would cool the eagerness of some of these women to dump their husbands and go looking for someone better?

13 posted on 09/20/2002 8:20:42 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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To: guitfiddlist
Even diehard feminazis can't stand a bootlicking wuss.

B I N G O

And Conservative women, like those who hang out here at FR, are even more repulsed.

14 posted on 09/20/2002 8:23:43 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: guitfiddlist
Even diehard feminazis can't stand a bootlicking wuss.

LOL.

Of course.

What woman instinctively wants a child by a bootlicking wuss? That would all but ensure her son would also be a bootlicking wuss. Not the best way for a woman's genes to survive.

15 posted on 09/20/2002 8:23:45 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VoiceOfBruck
I completely support equal rights, opportunities, and responsibilites for men and women.

Are you a guy?

16 posted on 09/20/2002 8:24:43 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: dts32041
Yes, women in our society have more freedom than practically any in the history of the world. But at what price? I worry for the coming generations of dysfunctional children nutured at the teat of socialist day care government workers substituting as mommy all day while she is out trying to conquer corporate America or, at the very least, trying not appear to be one of those "stay-at-home" moms that all her college pals frown upon as if they were prostitutes.

I don't think the present arrangement makes men particularly happy, makes women particularly happy or makes for good, stable children. The uropia this author envisions might lead to worsening crime and anti-social behavior as children find nobody cares about them the way only a mother can. I don't think making CEOs of women or running day cares out of the workplace will solve this problem either.

It's economics, not equality, that has pushed a lot of American women into the workforce. For those that truly want to forgo parenting for the working world, go forward and I wish you well. But for the women who would rather nurture their children all day, this "wartime all the time" economy has forced them to fit children around making a living. The men are hardly substitutes in this area. The work of raising and nurturing children will always be chiefly a woman's domain and no amount of social engineering or anti-male platitudes will change it for the better.

17 posted on 09/20/2002 8:26:01 PM PDT by Tall_Texan
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To: gilor
the problem started long before that, when we gave them the right to vote.

Ain't that the truth.

18 posted on 09/20/2002 8:26:59 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Rosie the Riveter is in the boardroom. She flies combat aircraft. She's a lawyer, a doctor, a cop,

Thanks in no small part to affirmative action.

19 posted on 09/20/2002 8:31:41 PM PDT by Orion
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To: cactusSharp
so what did God really think of wimmens ??????????????

I talk to God several times a day. I suppose I COULD ask his opinion. However, it might be best if you ask that question of him.

20 posted on 09/20/2002 8:31:48 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: cactusSharp
Ooops,...I seem to be missing a rib,.....anybody happen to see it anywh,....oh, there she is!
21 posted on 09/20/2002 8:32:36 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: gilor
"Nope, the problem started long before that, when we gave them the right to vote"

I dont belive the correct term was "we gave them" I think it more true that women demanded,fought for, and won that right.You may wish otherwise, but thats the truth.

22 posted on 09/20/2002 8:32:37 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Orion
Thanks in no small part to affirmative action.

One should wonder if women are so capable, why do they need assistance from government to be competitive?

23 posted on 09/20/2002 8:33:32 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: dts32041
The article totally ignores the fact that many women are in the workforce today not out of choice but out of necessity due to the fact that it is so difficult to get ahead with just one income these days due to the excessive levels of taxation here in America.

BTW, in America, a woman can be an equal "partner" of her spouse without having a career.

24 posted on 09/20/2002 8:36:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: dts32041
Because English-speaking women fought their way into the educational system and the workplace, our economy operates on a wartime basis every single day, with full mobilization of our human resources.

According to this "logic", then, we're screwed if we get into another WWII-scale war, reason being this: when we sent a large portion of the men to Europe or the Pacific, we had many women stepping in to take those vacant positions, entering into the work force for the first time.

Now that our economy is based on the majority of both men and women already being in the work force, who's going to step in and take the mens' places the next time they get sent off to fight? The women, who served as industry's "Reserves" in WWII, are already on "Active Duty" for industry now; if they have to leave their current job to become the new Rosie the Riveter, who's going to fill the position they just vacated?

25 posted on 09/20/2002 8:36:59 PM PDT by nravoter
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To: sarasmom; gilor
think it more true that women demanded,fought for, and won that right.You may wish otherwise, but thats the truth.

After a million years of men subduing the wild beasts, pacifying the wilderness, and creating the push-button world--women suddenly come out of hiding to win their rights.

Yeah, right.

26 posted on 09/20/2002 8:37:33 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Iowa Granny
Oh, and those 70 virgins? Sounds like a lot of dreary work to me. I'll take one American career-woman any day (ain't nothing like a major babe in a tailored suit who picks up the dinner tab).

Sounds like a Kid Rock lyric.

27 posted on 09/20/2002 8:38:36 PM PDT by rintense
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To: gilor
Yep, that amendment caused a lot of trouble.
28 posted on 09/20/2002 8:39:35 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: dts32041
Societies with a caste system of any variety don't do as well as free open systems such as ours.
29 posted on 09/20/2002 8:40:31 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Iowa Granny
You are wise beyond your years, however many they have been. :-)
30 posted on 09/20/2002 8:41:30 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Arkinsaw
"I'm waiting to be a trophy husband or homemaker man but so far it hasn't happened."

I tried that for about a month a half year into our marrage. That sexy little green-eyed redhead turned out to be meaner than anything I ever ran into in a barroom or back alley. I've been working ever scince.

31 posted on 09/20/2002 8:43:38 PM PDT by fella
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To: gilor
Nope, the problem started long before that, when we gave them the right to vote.

Sorry, dude. The problem was resolved when women realized they have a voice of their own- not the voice of the man they married. It's called independent thought.

32 posted on 09/20/2002 8:44:02 PM PDT by rintense
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To: dts32041
...and became men's partners instead of remaining men's property.

No,they're not men's partner's,but their rivals.Their partners are the courts.

American women kick ass.

They sure seem to have kicked his.The man is a moron

33 posted on 09/20/2002 8:44:59 PM PDT by kennyo
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To: terilyn; justshe; Amelia
Psst! Check this out! You'll know when you see it.
34 posted on 09/20/2002 8:46:31 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Age of Reason
The author is a self-hating man.

Ralph Peters? You mean Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters (USA, Ret.)? The author of several great military action novels,, as well as many articles in "Parameters" the journal of the U.S. Army's War College, such as "The New Strategic Trinity ". The guy who wrote "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World", "The War in 2020", "Fighting for the Future: Will America Triumph?", "Traitor: A Novel", "Flames of Heaven", "Twilight of Heroes", "The Devil's Garden", and "Flames of Heaven: A Novel of the End of the Soviet Union". That Ralph Peters?

I don't think so. Maybe you see a little of yourself in his description of "the world's most sexually insecure males"? And I say that as man with only a master's degree, married to woman with a PhD, and the father of two daughters, one with a JD and the other soon to have an MS. It ain't always easy, but it's also generally well worth the effort.

35 posted on 09/20/2002 8:47:09 PM PDT by El Gato
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I'm a 30-year-old guy, and, fawning aside, I didn't find the article too disagreeable in what it said (a lot of Freepers take issue with what it DIDN'T say, which I can understand). Where he lost me was with the completely unnecessary and unoriginal swipe at President Bush at the end of the article. And I agree with a previous poster, he probably wants something, and is trying out a new tack to see how well it works with dumb (liberal) women.
36 posted on 09/20/2002 8:50:24 PM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell
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To: dts32041
Dear Freepers,

Is my sarcasm detector on the fritz, or do you really mean what you say in these asinine commentaries?
I am appalled at the level of venom being spewed here tonight. I would never have expected this, and must wonder if I'm logged into Free Republic or the He-Man Woman Hater's Club.
What is going on here? The author is essentially correct - oppressing women is a tremendous waste of human potential, and is more stupid than amputating one leg before entering a butt-kicking contest.
We may not agree with the choices some women are making, but in the land of the free is it not right that they have the ability to make choices at all?
What the hell has happened to this board in the past couple of years? Very disappointing, and very disturbing.
--CC
37 posted on 09/20/2002 8:51:08 PM PDT by CzarChasm
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Oh, and those 70 virgins? Sounds like a lot of dreary work to me.

Well. . . just wait till those idiotic suicidal maniac male Muzzle-em monsters discover that Mow-Ham-Mud was totally full of shiit. . .

That is to say, when they each meet up with 70 West Virginia gun totin' 2nd Amendment Beauties who are going to shoot the cork 'n balls off each 'n every one of 'em !!!

Praise Ahhh-Laaa !!!

38 posted on 09/20/2002 8:52:11 PM PDT by GeekDejure
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Yet another thread detailing how women who think they are human are the handmaidens of Satan.

True believer conservative that I am, I have to shake my head in disbelief...my perceived heresy is that I actually believe I'm human, even though my chromosomes match.

Has anyone forwarded this to Roger Gay? No doubt he'd approve.

39 posted on 09/20/2002 8:52:20 PM PDT by Home By Dark
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To: dts32041
While I admire the fellow's enthusiasm, I think he's missing the major point in this little sociological epiphany, and it shows here:

Women's self-emancipation is a primary source of America's present power, wealth and social energy.

You get the drift - it's a repackaging of the old tired feminist claim that they only achieved equality by fighting desperately against a monolithic male resistance. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth, and it is the truth that really explains what has happened here. The truth is that women achieved equal political status by a large cooperative effort with the men who had a monopoly on it, and grudgingly or willingly, shared it of their own volition. It wasn't without turmoil, nor should it have been, but armed resistance didn't do it, and neither did that infantile Lysistrata fantasy of passive resistance through sexual activity that is so popular in feminist fiction. Emancipation was much more complex, and much more wonderful, than that.

This deliberate sharing of power is perhaps the most profound upshot of a representative democracy as a political form, and it is a phenomenon whose possibility is resolutely denied by the left. To these, power is never willingly granted because that constitutes a dilution in a zero-sum game. They are incorrect in that basic premise in political and economic theory. And in application it happened, and continues.

The author is correct, IMHO, in the claim that this new social arrangement offers an insuperable advantage in the competition between cultures. It isn't simply that incorporation of women into full cultural participation constitutes an increase in the gross quantity of brains applied to it, it constitutes an incorporation of brains that are different in quality as well - women do think differently from men and offer unique approaches to problems that multiplies the potential solutions well beyond mere numbers.

Bernard Lewis, in his 1995 the Middle East, does a better job than our author in making the case that this is the signal characteristic weakness in Moslem societies of the 20th century - the contrast in cultural performance between, say, Afghanistan and Turkey is marked by their being the two poles of the continuum of sexual equality in the Moslem world.

The lesson is a very, very old one - men and women are incomplete without one another, emotionally, intellectually, and spiritually. Those societies that can deal with this most successfully are excelling; those that do not are dying, and dying hard.

40 posted on 09/20/2002 8:52:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: El Gato
The fellow is obviously brainwashed.
41 posted on 09/20/2002 8:53:24 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: El Gato
And I never heard of him or his comic books.
42 posted on 09/20/2002 8:55:14 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Billthedrill
very well stated ...
43 posted on 09/20/2002 8:55:40 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Age of Reason
yes
44 posted on 09/20/2002 8:55:49 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck
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To: dts32041
The writer is addicted to manic generalities.
45 posted on 09/20/2002 8:55:53 PM PDT by RLK
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To: Arkinsaw
I'm waiting to be a trophy husband or homemaker man but so far it hasn't happened.

All-tme champs at getting trophy husbands: Edith Piaf & Mae West.

46 posted on 09/20/2002 8:55:54 PM PDT by rightofrush
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To: Ramius
You are wise beyond your years, however many they have been.

Careful, Sweetie. If you've read the entire thread, you must be aware that I have my BS detector on.

Some days I feel like it has been many more years than I've actually seen. But the important part, is that I am still young at heart. (Closer to 60 than I am to 50)

47 posted on 09/20/2002 8:56:19 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: Lorianne
Societies with a caste system of any variety don't do as well as free open systems such as ours.

I don't understand. At my university we set aside positions for women and minorities, and white men can't apply for them. So why do you think we don't have a caste system?

48 posted on 09/20/2002 8:56:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: rintense
Sounds like a Kid Rock lyric.

You've got that right. Interesting comments, tho.

49 posted on 09/20/2002 8:57:51 PM PDT by Iowa Granny
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To: Age of Reason
Ruger, Smith, and Charter Arms only became household names in the last 100 years.Deal with it. ;^)

I like men, and as soon as I can afford one, I will procure one.In the meantime, I will trust my weapon to protect me from the men who feel the need to force me to have at least one man laying about the house...

Does it not strike you odd that women generally need men, to defend themselves against other men? I would prefer my partner to stand with me, side by side, or back to back. I am not fond of the "veil" mentallity.

But in an effort to respect your views, I am willing to swear an oath to NOT defend you, specifically.Any action I may take which inadvertantly tends to support you should be viewed as unintended consequences.I would not dream of offending your belief in male supremacy by saving your but under any circumstances. ;^)

50 posted on 09/20/2002 8:58:05 PM PDT by sarasmom
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