Mother in Beating Surrenders

To: Mike4Freedom

The damage they do is much more profound and long lasting.

Hm. Don't recall the reports of the hideous bruises, and evidence of starvation and dehydration on the bodies of the Christines, at the hands of this "CPS Gestapo" you're on about. Must be a different country.

81 posted on 09/21/2002 5:14:09 PM PDT by Illbay

To: Mike4Freedom

"The Libertarian Party does not condone the tyrannical abuse of children, but we will fight for your right to engage in the tyrannical abuse of children." -Ima Phool, spokesperthing of the Libertarian Party

82 posted on 09/21/2002 5:14:10 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

To: southern rock

SR, I've never seen you do anything BUT post drivel, anyway, so a declaration as to "meaninglessness" from you is itself meaningless.

One more session with the bong this evening ought to calm you down again, bud.

84 posted on 09/21/2002 5:16:54 PM PDT by Illbay

RE: Your staement to Mike4fredom:

If my town had a Kohl's, I'd shop there just to annoy you.

I have one near me and I will do it for you, in fact I'll go tomorrow....:>)I'm serious, I will...

85 posted on 09/21/2002 5:19:27 PM PDT by DreamWeaver

OK byte me.....known....

I got known. But it still doesn't make any sense. Maxism? I'm sure you mean "Marxism" but I STILL don't get it. ;o)

86 posted on 09/21/2002 5:19:47 PM PDT by EggsAckley

"We of the Libertarian Party are against fraud and force, unless the victim of fraud is stupid or the victim of force is weak. Then it should serve 'em right. The artless, the infirm, the poor, the weak, the handicapped, and the innocent should just learn to lump it." Ima Phool, spokesperthing of the Libertarian Party

87 posted on 09/21/2002 5:21:26 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

SR, I've never seen you do anything BUT post drivel, anyway, so a declaration as to "meaninglessness" from you is itself meaningless. One more session with the bong this evening ought to calm you down again, bud.

Exactly what is it he said in his post #35 that you disagree with? You accuse him of posting "drivel" when all you have posted in this thread is juvenile ad-hominem attacks.

89 posted on 09/21/2002 5:24:47 PM PDT by Godebert

To: goldenboy; Admin Moderator

this new crop of so called "conservatives" on FR are a joke...no wonder the "republicans"will get handed defeats in Nov and 2004...in short a bunch of gutless sheep!

We'll keep an eye out for you.

90 posted on 09/21/2002 5:26:00 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

To: Cultural Jihad

The Libertarians remind me of those youngish, oh-so-fit bicyclists who treat any of us who are NOT youngish and oh-so-fit as if we were the scourge of the world. Very superior, very snotty, zero compassion.

*donning flame retardant suit.*

91 posted on 09/21/2002 5:29:18 PM PDT by EggsAckley

Parenthood is only a relative good, not an absolute good. southern rock is purporting that a child is nothing more than a piece of property owned by the parents whereas actually it is a whole unique individual endowed with inalienable rights. We as a society have an obligation to secure the rights of all its members regardless of age.

92 posted on 09/21/2002 5:30:39 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

His post is exactly why I am a libertarian and not a Libertarian. The insanity that seems to come with accepting the full title of the party is more than I can stomach. Anyone who would berate the people who turned this sickening waste of flesh in will never, ever garner my vote in a PTA election let alone a serious seat.

94 posted on 09/21/2002 5:31:49 PM PDT by riley1992

Thanks. While you're there, smile at the camera for me.

;-)

95 posted on 09/21/2002 5:32:37 PM PDT by dighton

To: Cultural Jihad

"Parenthood is only a relative good, not an absolute good. southern rock is purporting that a child is nothing more than a piece of property owned by the parents whereas actually it is a whole unique individual endowed with inalienable rights. We as a society have an obligation to secure the rights of all its members regardless of age."

I agree. However I don't see where in this thread Southern Rock has taken the position you have attributed to him.

96 posted on 09/21/2002 5:33:51 PM PDT by Godebert

To: Mike4Freedom

I am all for due process, for having a trial for this mother, for her having her rights protected by her lawyer...I truthfully dont think that anyone here would disagree with that...

However, I would not be against CPS taking away the child from this woman, if it was deemed by law enforcement, that the child was really in danger...I am sure it has happened, where children have been left with abusing parents, who were out on bail, and awaiting trial...and while awaiting trial, the child somehow winds up dead...

I just do think that law enforcement is trying to make sure that this little girl is healthy and safe, with whomever she is staying...

I do realize that CPS has at times overstepped its authority, and children have been removed from homes on the flimsiest of evidence...but all too often, every state has way too many instances of children who are returned to their parents, only later to be beaten to death by those same parents...

Being a childs natural parents, does not give one the right to treat that child in whatever way they want...neglect, abuse, torture, etc, are carried out every day, by natural parents upon their own biological children...these children must be protected by someone...if not CPS, then who?

You may certainly have had experience with CPS in your own state, or in other places, but surely, dont expect anyone to believe that you know how CPS in all states, in all areas operates...I am sure there are instances of CPS making bad decisions, that have ripped families apart for no good reason...I am equally as sure, that CPS has allowed children to die, ,by not acting quickly enough...

I watched this video tape, the same as others on this thread have...it does truly appear, that this mother is pummeling her little girl, of only 4 yrs old, about the face and skull area, and doing it for a considerable length of time...shaking the child, viciously hitting the child, appearing to be in a rage, while smacking the child...

And she sure obviously knew that what she was doing was wrong...she had the foresight, to look around to see if anyone was watching what she was about to do...and please, dont tell us that she was looking around for some other reason...I am not a mind reader, but it takes just an ounce of common sense to figure out, she looked around, and believing herself in the clear, she immediately began pummeling this little girl...

Whatever your issue is with CPS, would be with the particular agency that was involved with you and surely cannot be applied to every such agency clear across this country....

My primary concern in this case, is that this little girl, is actually safe, and has been seen by a doctor who can attest to her health...the mother is going to have her rights looked after by a lawyer, the little girl also needs to have her rights to safety ensured by someone...and I for one, would not at this point, be willing to trust her mother, until we really know what happened...

97 posted on 09/21/2002 5:33:55 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom

To: Mike4Freedom; riley1992

His post is exactly why I am a libertarian and not a Libertarian.

Mike4Freedom must be one of those 'bad activists' which the LP warns us about. Hey, Mike, I hear there's an opening for Governor of California on the LP ticket, if your saliva glands are intact.

98 posted on 09/21/2002 5:35:55 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad

" Mother of all Surrenders."

We're going after France?

99 posted on 09/21/2002 5:39:20 PM PDT by spunkets

Here you may learn something...

Yes, I think I have learned something. I've learned that not only can you not spell, you get your information by cutting and pasting. None of it is original. Therefore, your opinions are invalid, due to the fact that they are NOT spawned in your own brain, but rather are spewed from printed propaganda that you worship, thus, rendering your opinions down to mere offal. Wondering which bandwagon you'll jump aboard when you're a little older. Hmmmmm.....

100 posted on 09/21/2002 5:39:36 PM PDT by EggsAckley

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