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Furor erupts over Web site monitoring of Middle Eastern scholars (America haters whine)
AP ^ | 9-27- | Ron Todt

Posted on 09/27/2002 8:43:42 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

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To: nopardons
Your pathetic posts don't have a damned thing to do with the article of this thread.

Just because you say so? Great. I think that they are quite on topic. Because I say so.

41 posted on 09/27/2002 10:13:50 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: texasbluebell
Alger Hiss for example, who was a fairly top level official at the State dept, IIRC

You are going to be embarrassed when you recall how "top-level" Alger Hiss was, and then you'll be mad about what access he had to classified information about sources and methods.

Sigh. We won anyway.

/john

42 posted on 09/27/2002 10:15:05 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: JRandomFreeper
I've seen at least one win at a local level within the last year.

Please detail. Bush's socialism is quite disappointing. I could use some good news.

43 posted on 09/27/2002 10:15:05 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
From the same source, I'm reading that the attack on the USS Liberty was a "grievous error" that occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war. Ten official US investigations and three Israeli inquiries have all come to the conclusion that the attack was a tragic mistake.
44 posted on 09/27/2002 10:15:32 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: JRandomFreeper
I don't think the President gives a rat's pointy little tail any more than I do about the Untied Nations.

Right. That's why he's addressed them personally rather than send Powell or somebody else. LOL.

45 posted on 09/27/2002 10:16:03 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: JRandomFreeper
Sorry, Virginia, they all survived.

No prison? No fines? No public lashings?? ... Did they at least get a parking ticket while testifying???

46 posted on 09/27/2002 10:17:11 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
That's the Israeli side of the story. On the other hand...even if there were a warning prior, what justification do you think would suffice for the bombing of a hotel? How would the American public react to the claim that bin Laden called up somebody at the Pentagon and warned them? Would bin Laden then be any less responsible for 3000 deaths?

Absurd. And the rationalization of Begin's acts are just as absurd.

47 posted on 09/27/2002 10:19:08 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
I've been following this closely lately, and am so happy that Pipes is organizing this. I've been just sick that a professor that my child had (and was very influenced by) is one of these guys listed by Pipes.

I wish something like this had been available before so I could have found this out easily. But I will check up on future teachers--it just didn't occur to me before that this was going on.

I'm not at all happy that we're paying a small fortune to have had our child turned into an arab apologist by that teacher.

The 60s generation has a lot to answer for; it wasn't enought to wreak havoc during those days, now they are working hard in their later years to convert a number of skulls full of mush to their way of thinking. I can only hope most of my child's generation will wake up in due time, but a lot of damage is being done in the meantime.

Kudos to Daniel Pipes.

48 posted on 09/27/2002 10:20:01 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Demidog
Please detail.

I did. During the race. I asked for prayers for a victory. Much of the race is detailed on FR.

Short version is that we (a group of cranky conservatives) overthrew the local machine and are implementing rational government. At the local level.

One does have to get up off of one's fundament and work, but the rewards are sweet. We've kept the socialists from millions of dollars so far.

/john

49 posted on 09/27/2002 10:20:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Ping
50 posted on 09/27/2002 10:21:00 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: A_perfect_lady
I'm reading that the attack on the USS Liberty was a "grievous error" that occurred in the midst of the confusion of a full-scale war.

LOL. I know. It's hilarous.

51 posted on 09/27/2002 10:21:11 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
this Nation was long ago taken over by Communists (and the current administration is full of them)

What do you mean by that? What makes you think there is a communist in the current administration? Or, that it is full of them?

I don't think I can agree with that kind of blanket statement.

52 posted on 09/27/2002 10:21:24 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: texasbluebell
Well, it sounds to me as though the Hollywood vs Communism struggle has been revamped and the new screenplay reads Hollywood vs Hateful Right Wing Conservatives. Very canny. I must say, I usually consider Hollywood denizens to be meat-with-eyes, but this was clever of them, to paint themselves victims of what amounts to no more than being "outed."

How many of them today would object if the US enacted a "Zero Tolerance for Hate" law and set up tribunals to see who belonged to the KKK or some "right wing" Christian "Homosexuality-is-a-sin" group? How many of them would proudly point fingers and say "I saw HIM going into a church!!"

53 posted on 09/27/2002 10:22:08 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: JRandomFreeper
Well, perhaps my memory off the top of my hat isn't perfect, but I'm not embarrassed by it! LOL! IIRC, was he 3rd from the top? I just don't recall at the moment.

And yes it makes me mad, in fact it makes me furious, that he had so much access to secrets.

But yes we won anyway. Luckily.

54 posted on 09/27/2002 10:23:57 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Demidog
what justification do you think would suffice for the bombing of a hotel?

To destroy intelligence information that had fallen into hostile hands?

55 posted on 09/27/2002 10:25:39 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Demidog
Well, are you saying the USS Liberty was not a mistake, and if so, what is your justification for saying so if 10 US investigations and 3 Israeli ones say it is?
56 posted on 09/27/2002 10:27:36 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Well, it sounds to me as though the Hollywood vs Communism struggle has been revamped and the new screenplay reads Hollywood vs Hateful Right Wing Conservatives.

That seems about right to me--they've managed somehow to turn it into that.

57 posted on 09/27/2002 10:29:17 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Robert_Paulson2
What do you mean by that? What makes you think there is a communist in the current administration? Or, that it is full of them?

You do realize that the law I cited is currrent do you not? That exemption stands RIGHT NOW.

It was passed by Congress. Meaning a majority of congressmen voted to exempt communist organizations from paying into social security. Some of them are still in office....

Bush himself is a big-time socialist if not communist. His policies are about total government control over every aspect of society. From charity, to security, farming, to healthcare and education he has proposed a greater role by government.

And his cabinet all seem to share his gleefull expansion of federal control. So does the congress. While they pretend to oppose each other, they continue to expand the budget. The "tax cut" that Bush got passed was a joke. His spending increases are unprecedented. But that's not hard. Virtually every President and Congress's spending increases have been unprecedented for the last 200 years. And no it's not a matter of inflation.

58 posted on 09/27/2002 10:31:20 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Oh Demi, you poor thing. Your cedibility isn't worth much. Your " knowledge " , less so. Your opinions ? Worthless, to all but a tiny number of your ilk.

BTW, you are utterly incorrect about McCarthy ! Reading weird web sites,full of revisionist history and lacking in substance and historical fact; are you, or is this from your delusional imagings ... as usual ?

59 posted on 09/27/2002 10:32:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Demidog
Right. That's why he's addressed them personally rather than send Powell or somebody else.

No, actually I think he's dotting every i and crossing every t. He's doing just what he should be doing. People constantly "misunderestimate" George W. Bush, at their own peril.

60 posted on 09/27/2002 10:33:13 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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