Abortion Quotes From Those In the Industry

www.byxbe.com ^ | Fri, 13 Sep 1996 | Right Now.com

[yendu bwam]

Furthermore, even secularists can comfortably define evil as suffering, human or otherwise.

Well, atheists can make up whatever notion of good and evil they personally like. But a world of no suffering would be like the Brave New World - a meaningless world. And of course, the quickest way to end inevitable suffering in this world is through death - suicide or a quiet putting to sleep of the afflicted (which would be everyone, since we all suffer). That's the morality we (as dog Gods) provide for dogs. They have fun, sex and food and a great place to sleep at night - and their lives are relatively meaningless. When they suffer, we knock them off. Coming up, doggie morality for humans.

[yendu bwam]

Furthermore, even secularists can comfortably define evil as suffering, human or otherwise.

Well, atheists can make up whatever notion of good and evil they personally like. But a world of no suffering would be like the Brave New World - a meaningless world. And of course, the quickest way to end inevitable suffering in this world is through death - suicide or a quiet putting to sleep of the afflicted (which would be everyone, since we all suffer). That's the morality we (as dog Gods) provide for dogs. They have fun, sex and food and a great place to sleep at night - and their lives are relatively meaningless. When they suffer, we knock them off. Coming up, doggie morality for humans.

[yendu bwam]

Although I try (not very successfully at times) to be a good Christian, I think morality can be independent of religion. You can be a good athiest. But like others said, when you are an atheist, morality can be very tricky, because in effect you become your own god. My religion is a spiritual anchor and without it, this world would be a lot emptier and uglier place. For while you see immense evil, there is also immense good.

Morality (a notion of what is good and bad) can be independent of religion. And you're right, an atheist becomes his own god, up on the God-box. As an atheist, you can have a morality based on anything - like one based on the premise that all living species on Earth are equal and equally deserving of protection, or one based on the premise that everyone should share everything they have and work for (communism), or one based on the premise that children should only be allowed to live if their parents want them (Singer, at Princeton U.), etc. etc. Christian morality is based on love - love of God (and wanting to follow His moral code) and love of others (as we want to be loved ourselves). Most people are naturally attracted to Christianity. But those up on the God-box prefer to develop their own arbitrary moralities.

[yendu bwam]

The ability to articulate ideas in writing and speaking has always been a key measure for determining intelligence.

Most people want a president who is good, rather than extremely smart. People like Stalin, Mao and Adolph H. were extremely smart.

[yendu bwam]

That's one place where we differ. I don't think I have any 'right' to exist. Living is a bit of temporary luck, more a privilege than a right, certain to end in death and decay.

How about a right to live, once you exist?

[yendu bwam]

If I could have one wish, it would be that a loving God exists.

Then base your life on the assumption that such a God does exist. It will mean a life filled with love and compassion for others, and the fulfillment that brings. You will die knowing you have done great good. And if that God does exist, you'll be amply rewarded. It's a win-win-win situation.

[yendu bwam]

Finally, if I believed in God, I'd want to die as soon as possible. Living is interesting, but can't be nearly as delightful as being in Heaven.

But what if you couldn't get to heaven without becoming truly good first? You'd need to face and confront and reject the evil on this Earth first to win your passage. But 'tis in part true what you say. Those who honestly try to do such do not fear death so much.

[JimRed]

Those who most need to read this will never see it.

[yendu bwam]

Ah, free will. Is the mind separate from the body, or is it a Ghost in the Machine?

Or is it the Ghost in the Machine, but removable?

[yendu bwam]

Once we have full understanding of physics, chemistry, etc., then we will be able to develop a working morality based on what is best for people. Doesn't God want what is best for humans? How could he be opposed to a morality based on what is best for humans?

You do a dance around your own unstated moral axioms. What is best for humans? It depends on those axioms. Stalin had his, and thought he was doing his best for humans.

[yendu bwam]

Since there is a lot of human suffering, since it is evil

Be careful. Not all suffering is evil. I suffer when I see a child hurt or abused. That suffering stems from my compassion. It is not bad, but good.

[jjm2111]

What got you so disillusioned in God in the first place? Evil? You almost sound like your trying to convince yourself at times.

BTW, the only reason why people who cause religious strife do so is to gain earthly power. Religion is a tool to them to serve their own ends. It isn't the existence of God that is causing this but the evil of man. Destroying God will not expunge that evil.

[yendu bwam]

God is not less kind than most people; everyone is infinitely less kind than God,

Well said!

[yendu bwam]

Since I cannot bring myself to believe in a God, how am I and others like me to navigate the world?

Well, you would need (like any atheist) to decide what's important to you, and to make those things good, and opposite things bad. Then you would need to develop a set of rational rules for adhering to your (arbitrary) moral axioms. But it will be a lonely existence, up on the God-box by yourself, and surrounded with some other atheists up on their God-boxes.

[yendu bwam]

but even a fool would agree that hurting a child like that is wrong and should be prevented.

This is simply not true. Many exceedingly smart and brilliant people could care less about hurting children - the perpetrators of 9/11, suicide bombers in Palestine, Adolph H., Saddam Hussein, Stalin, Mao, etc. etc.

[Got a right to Life? . . Huh?]

But if you don't believe in god, then the question of the value of human life gets interesting.

Yeah, I'll say it gets "interesting" . . or horrific. Please answer the following question as honestly as you are able. What is the effective difference between being killed any time between conception and nine months justation and being killed anytime after birth? . . . ??

Your constitutional right to life is not currently protected before birth. Any murder that takes place after birth will be prosecuted fully and carry severe penalties for the guilty party. In either case a person is denied his or her life, the same life that you currently enjoy. It is simply intellectually hypocritical for people who claim a right to life themselves to assert that others just like them do not have that same right to life.

If we assumed that our eternal existance after this life, would be full of the things that we advocated in our current life, abortion we be nothing but memory.