Ex-Senator (Lautenberg) to Replace Torricelli

AP via Yahoo ^ | 10/01/02 | JOHN P. McALPIN

[dirtboy]

I invite you to read any court decision upholding most any gun control law.

They are still based upon precedent, albeit bad ones, such as Miller - I won't get into Miller, except to agree that it should NOT be anything to base gun control upon.

But if SCONJ were to rule in favor of this, I can see absolutely NO precedent. And the political opportunities for mischief would be immense. Candidate wins the primary. Candidate is getting his a** kicked in the polls in September. Just replace the candidate. It would make a complete mockery of the entire electoral process - the primary elections were created to accomodate political parties, and now a political party wants to circumvent the results OF THEIR OWN PRIMARY? Give me a break! I would hope SCONJ would not want to go there - and although I did not agree with aspects of Bush v. Gore - namely, the reliance of SCOTUS upon the concept of equal protection instead of just taking MacPherson and beating SCOFLAW over the head with it - since we now have an electoral equal protection precedent because of Bush v. Gore, it can now be applied to NJ if SCONJ sells their souls and allows Lautenberg on the ballot.

[YoungKentuckyConservative]

How many rights do the American people have left now? What's the "totalitarian" meter up to?

[Howlin]

You bring up a good point about Dole; according to the last polls, Bowles is behind her 13 points.

Do you think the Democrats might ask him to "withdraw" and put somebody in there who can win?

[cake_crumb]

"I don't believe SCOTUS would take the case, given that it conerns a NJ state law on ballots. No federal law or Constitutional provision appears to be in issue."

Oh, SCOTUS would take the case if the SCONJ does the expected and changed election law in the middle of an election in order to tamper with a NATIONAL SENATORIAL ELECTION.

We need to start quoting the Constitution...getting that word out.

[Colonel_Flagg]

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said that by objecting to Torricelli's request, Republicans were "denying the people of New Jersey a choice" in the election.

And Lautenberg was selected by a free and open primary, right, Mr. Plurality Leader?

[MileHi]

Can you say "disenfranchised military and absentee voters" or "equal protection?"

Hey, I hope so. I am not holding my breath.

[Spyder]

Different laws. Congress Critter (House) vs. Senator. Senator vacancies are appointed, congress critters get a new election (and we'll have two extra elections - one to elect someone to hold her seat until the result of the "special election" plus the "special election").

The rats aren't saying much about it costing the state $4 million.. ($2 million per)

[Clean_Sweep]

These are the kinds of things that revolutions are about.
Yes and they can have one soon if they keep it up.

[Unknown Freeper]

Scary question: What if NJ is just the diversion and we're missing what the dems are really doing?......

[marajade]

It doesn't matter how much it costs as long as it benefits them but if it had benefitted a Republican then of course, its just a waste of hard earned american tax dollars.

[marajade]

Well I for one hopes it has a national effect... This isn't about having a choice its about maintaining control of the senate for the Democrats...

[fatima]

Sorry I dodn't gov,I am in Pa. but lets do the courts and do the courts and do the courts.Thats what the rats do so lets find out,I will make a call tom.unless we get a count online here.

[Will_Zurmacht]

Dole?...sure, I mean, yes the ballots are out, and yes they have been counted.... but the American people "deserve a voice" so surely they wont mind if we replace Bob Dole on the 1996 ticket with someone who polls better.....

that'd be more "fair", heck we knew he was gonna lose a month before the election, and we are sure of his loss 6 years after the election...so lets just redo the whole thing, with a candidate who "polls" better. (isn't that what primaries are for?)

Oh, Liddy? sorry....wrong Dole

[Howlin]

Not in our lifetimes.

[PhiKapMom]

Did you hear Mara Liaison (sp) on Brit's show. She said that Lautenberg is so old he might not make it to serve out his term. I almost cracked up laughing.

They also said that Lautenberg is the Torch's enemy! This could get interesting! Torch has said he will give no campaign money to Lautenberg according to Fox. Then Lautenberg said he won't finance his own campaign.

This may pull money from some other campaigns they are defending for Senate.

[witnesstothefall]

Do you suppose it would be too insolent to ask the DNC for the names of the people who appointed this candidate?

[Spyder]

You hit the nail on the head with that one. Can you imagine the squeals if Simon pulled out in California and they "asked" to replace him with Schwarzeneggar on the ballot? Or if McDermott (Patsy's opponent), who probably doesn't have that much of a chance, died and we called for a special election?

[MileHi]

I hope you are right (no pun intended). Hugh Hewitt gave several good reasons why the SCOTUS may not. I defer to his legal expertise, mine being rather limited.

FReegards

[dirtboy]

Do you think the Democrats might ask him to "withdraw" and put somebody in there who can win?

That illuminates the absolute absurdity of what the Dems are trying to do. Torricelli is not dead. He is not convicted of a crime. He has not confessed to a crime - instead, he has proclaimed he has only made "mistakes." So why the need to replace him on the ballot, other than the fact that he is getting skinned in the polls? The Constitution does not recognize political parties. The states have set up primary elections to accomodate political parties. And now the Dems wish to circumvent the results of THEIR OWN PRIMARY ELECTION and run someone else. If SCONJ can engineer a decision to justify such an action, they will destroy the carefully cultivated image they have created - NJ Supreme Court rulings are often cited by other state courts, such as Mt. Laurel years ago. SCOFLA had no such reputation to protect, and in the end I would guess that SCONJ has nothing to gain and everything to lose if they go along with this.

[montag813]

DAMN, I sure wish Bret Schundler had won that governor's race!!! :-(

Blame Donald DiFrancesco and all the other RINOs in Trenton for that.

Just as that dickhead John Warner did with Oliver North, it is scumbag "moderates" within the GOP who doom our chances at the polls time and again, because of political or personal qualms with the candidate.

Somehow Democrats don't have this problem, and support people like Zell Miller and Ben Nelson enthusiastically. Anything that gains them power.