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Pelosi breaks with Gephardt on OKing war Democrats divided on deal with Bush to authorize force
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 10/4/02 | Edward Epstein

Posted on 10/04/2002 10:46:50 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Washington -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the House's second-ranking Democrat, said Thursday she would oppose a resolution authorizing war with Iraq that President Bush negotiated with her leader, Rep. Dick Gephardt, putting House Democrats in the middle of an uncomfortable leadership split.


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KEYWORDS: gephardt; pelosi
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1 posted on 10/04/2002 10:46:51 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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2 posted on 10/04/2002 10:47:06 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Here's all you need to know:

1. The Dems will not be in the House Majority come November, and;

2. Loco Poco Ricardo will not be running for Minority Leader, and;

3. The Wench Pelosi lusts for power, and wants to be Leader, and;

4. Therefore, she needs her Fellow Travelers to vote for her in the coming leadership fight.

Hence Pelosi must oppose the leader's position, no matter what.


Tony

3 posted on 10/04/2002 11:14:12 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So, we did not expect anything from those that never defend the United States but instead try to increase our danger.

4 posted on 10/04/2002 11:14:16 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I love the team dissension. It always leads to collapse.
5 posted on 10/04/2002 11:19:10 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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BUMP
6 posted on 10/04/2002 12:23:05 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What strikes me as hypocritical is that you know that in her heart Pelosi abhors the thought of America using force against Saddam. Say what you will about Barbara Lee or Cynthia McKinney, at least they have the cajones to stand by their convictions, however misguided.
7 posted on 10/04/2002 12:27:27 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Dear Senator Boxer, see answers to your questions, below.

"how he foresees the war being waged"
Totally, quickly, decisively and without reservation. We will blind them, destroy their communications and roads. If you want any more information, we'll have to assume you will merely share it with your buddy, Saddam.

"how much it would cost"
A whole lot less than one nuclear bomb set off in San Francisco.

"what fallout it might cause in the Middle East"
Iran will tumble without effort to pro-democratic forces. Saudi Arabia will moderate. The Palestinians will sue for peace.

"how he envisions handling the aftermath"
We will ask the panty-waist Euro-weenies to do some military policing, while the Iraqis have a constitutional plebiscite of their own crafting.

Does the good Senator have any other questions? NO? GOOD!

LET'S ROLL!

8 posted on 10/04/2002 12:33:49 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Pelosi was identified in earlier stories as the leader of the antiwar party.

Fine. The most she can accomplish is to split the Dems and to offend both the factions whose votes they depend on: the left-wing fanatics with money and the ordinary patriotic citizens and working slobs who vote for Democrats out of old habits and loyalties.
9 posted on 10/04/2002 1:03:37 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
With comments like that, Mr. Lantos may want to consider "suuu--eeee---cide." I love to see the Democrats collapse, and it will be even more interesting to see the vote on the floor. Many are saying that the resoulution will get about 60-65 Dem votes.
10 posted on 10/05/2002 10:06:24 AM PDT by LS
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It's a very odd circumstance that Gephardt, of all people, has tried to knock some sense into his party.

Of course, because it is sense and not nonsense, his party rejects it (and him).

11 posted on 10/05/2002 10:10:14 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: GSWarrior
What strikes me as hypocritical is that you know that in her heart Pelosi abhors the thought of America using force against Saddam.

As much as I abhor her politics, I believe Ms. Pelosi would take a similar stance on virtually any war that a Republican President was advocating. The fact that it is saddam insane has no particular bearing on her position. If you deleted "against Saddam" the statement would be without fault.

Say what you will about Barbara Lee or Cynthia McKinney, at least they have the cajones to stand by their convictions, however misguided.

I happen to know Ms. Pelosi on a personal level and can assure you that she is very sincere in her convictions. What makes her strikingly dangerous, in my mind, is that she combines several factors that are very difficult to counter, such as:

1. Unlike McKinney and lee, she has a high level of intelligence.
2. Also she is one of the richest women in Congress (possibly the richest).
3. She is absolutely 100% safe in her district.
4. She has the astute political skills to have risen to being one of the most powerful women in the country and certainly the most powerful woman in Congress
5. She absolutely believes that she and her socialist politics will make the world a better place, if republicans, would just get out of the way of social progress.

If Babs 'boxter' looks beatable (unlikely) or Feinstein steps aside (probable, she will be in line to be a Senator. She also will be on the Dem short list for VP in '04.

12 posted on 10/05/2002 10:14:50 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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To: Cicero
How has Democratic fundraising from Jews been doing lately?
13 posted on 10/05/2002 10:16:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
dummycrats message to saddam,we bend over and supply the ky gel,just be gentle!
14 posted on 10/05/2002 10:20:20 AM PDT by linn37
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To: American Preservative; The KG9 Kid; SeenTheLight; sfwarrior
how do we dump Pelosi??? Ideas?
15 posted on 10/05/2002 10:24:06 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: GSWarrior
What strikes me as hypocritical is that you know that in her heart Pelosi abhors the thought of America using force against Saddam.

Well, I don't think she's as hypocritical (on that point) as you suggest. She wants to "exhaust all other options first" (e.g., surrender, take some hits, let yet another minority group express themselves, however repugnant that might be to WASP males). What she doesn't verbalize in that, is that she and her kind would prefer the national political turmoil that would be set off with something like a nuclear attack, say, at American military installation.

So, yes, she is being hypocritical in that she would wield an analogously mighty political attack on our own country as she's decrying Bush would use on Saddam, but her defense of Saddam is not hypocritical--it's what she and her Fellow Travellers want.

HF

16 posted on 10/05/2002 10:24:40 AM PDT by holden
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Now THIS is politization of the war...Pelosi is putting her own political ambition over the war, over the nation, and over our national security.

Like we've always known,
Democrats look in the mirror, and accuse us of the worst they see in themselves.

17 posted on 10/05/2002 10:30:05 AM PDT by YaYa123
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Not odd really, The Little Dick is just sizing up the odds and planning accordingly.

If all goes well, GW will be hard to beat in 2004, but impossible to beat by someone "who stood in America's way." If the war goes badly, GW will be vulnerable and Dickie can say that he supported the Cause even though the Bushies screwed it up.

Tommie, on the other hand, is cooking his own goose and has zero chance now in 2004
18 posted on 10/05/2002 10:51:21 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Sit back and watch Dubya. His presence won't be obvious, but he is loyal to those who are loyal to him.
19 posted on 10/05/2002 10:59:20 AM PDT by Helen
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
how do we dump Pelosi??? Ideas?

We will never beat Pelosi, in her district, as long as her district remains San Francisco. Therefore, to beat her, we must promote her. As difficult as that may be.

She has two directions to go: The Senate or the VP.

If she runs for the Senate in Calif. her liberalism will become even more apparent. However that may not be enough, alone, to defeat her, since Calif. is so damn liberal.

If she runs for VP, as I suspect she will, then that ticket will lose. Once she has run for VP, her career as an elected official will be virtually over, since rarely does a losing pres or VP candidate, then get back into the trenches. (Lieberman is an exception)

I am thinking of Ferrarro as a prime example.

Scarry thought for the future:

Two of her kids are both considering politics. With their connections, look to hear from them in local politics in the near future (two to four yrs).

The son is as dumb as a stump, so may not go to far, SF City/County Council, would be a coup for him.

Her younger daughter though is very smart, and will be following on mom's skirt tails.

20 posted on 10/05/2002 11:44:37 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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